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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and i'm here but i'm

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not really here this is premiering but i

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am i am out of town and i wasn't able to

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do the show live on tuesday so this is a

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pre-record and uh be nice to each other

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and chat i can't monitor you i shouldn't

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even say that maybe but anyway

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um

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i'll be back next week at the usual time

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live

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and i will be telling you i might as

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well say who it is right now who's on

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with me and let's see i have uh caroline

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corey and a few others uh dave altman

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and dave mason on

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uh i'm gonna be talking about tear in

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the sky

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that movie that's pretty popular out

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so uh this week i have

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mario woods a nice gentleman he had

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quite an encounter this is back in the

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1970s he was a sergeant in the u.s air

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force

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policeman retired um in ellsworth air

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force base south

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uh dakota things started happening there

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back in 1953 including cattle

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mutilations and all kinds of odd things

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going on lots of ufo

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and lots of ufo encounters

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and the blog this week by charles lear

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is a ufo abduction and bahia long

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uh let me try that again bahia blanca

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argentina

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and uh so a great blog as always and uh

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so check that out on our website

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podcastufo.com

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thank you all that do uh for only two

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uh support under support the show

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so we are ready to bring in

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our guest mario welcome to the show

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mario hello martin how are you

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i'm really well thank you

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and uh you know i heard i heard i i

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believe i saw unidentified when you were

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on that

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when i said two two years ago i believe

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and uh it's it's quite a story and a lot

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a lot happened

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um and i think

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i've only heard part of the story and so

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i'm really interested to

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uh you and i talked on the phone a while

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back and you told me some unbelievable

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things that were happening there and you

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know uh when it comes to nukes uh

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there's there was 150 i believe warheads

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things are happening you know you hear

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about maelstrom back in the 60s but this

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is kind of a case you don't hear much

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yeah that's true i um

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you know working not only in the

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military but also with the department of

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energy for about 14 years you know with

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acute clearance you can't really um

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could never disclose anything until

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after i left department of energy in 96

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when i did that i contacted mufon

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also of ancient aliens

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at that time when i was there in south

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dakota during the 70s i was there from

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she was investigating cattle mutilations

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there right and i you know and the only

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reason i knew that's because she had a

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special it was on the local tv channel

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and it really raised some eyebrows

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because she was in our area

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investigating that very thing and

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back then and took him to my

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veterinarian and he also you know

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mean rapid city south dakota is really a

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and uh there's still a lot of

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things that happen there so these

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veterinarians you know they tend

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owls or birds of prey other birds of

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cattle or horses and i just happened to

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ask him about it and he said he had

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actually seen you know a couple of

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mutilations and couldn't explain it

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his name's mark wade we actually stopped

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these everything out in the missile

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two cattle have been had been mutilated

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and it was weird because they were on

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their back with their legs straight up

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in the air and how does a cow with a

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i don't know it's a very strange thing

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personal to it and you know they were

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asking if we saw anything which we

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hadn't but we've been on a

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launch facility that was very close

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dakota and uh

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uh but anyway he had a sheriff out there

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was really some strange stuff to see

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that you know eyes removed or you know

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area i've seen the pictures it's yeah it

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is really a puzzle another another

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strange mystery um

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first of all i want to ask you had you

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thought about ufos and encounters and

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anything like that prior to oh yeah are

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to school i was about five i think five

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or six years old d queen elementary 1961

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and um we were just literally in line to

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be dropped off and there was probably 10

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first grade to 12th grade it's still

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said look anthony my middle name as she

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right over a church that no longer

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saucers about 25 30 feet in diameter

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me to death i was looking onto the

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to the dashboard looking up like that

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at these things and i think i can't ask

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my mom what do they want what do they

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and uh they all had the same pattern of

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lights on them which weren't which was

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rotating underneath them

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oh really i've heard about that i've

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it wasn't on data but or in data but um

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poof went straight up out of sight i

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mean i watched them go completely out of

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to that size and gone

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you knew that witnessed that

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oh every kid you could hear a pin drop

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wow all the teachers and students were

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hanging out the windows on the would

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building i mean literally we had wooden

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pointing up i remember seeing that

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because i just couldn't believe that

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they were there but the funny part about

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it when they when they left

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everybody just went back to what they

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that's exactly right everybody just went

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yeah i'm really going to go out there

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when i say this so this may be some type

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of mind control or something yeah they

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were there for a reason they were there

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i mean you know that kind of technology

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the rip that

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the type of technology that these beings

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is is only limited to us by our own

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imagination

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i mean they've overcome quite a bit to

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get where they are today

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how long their civilization's been alive

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and thriving and they'll telling how

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long they've been you know doing what

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they're doing yeah i'm sure they find

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you know lesser civilizations whether

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whatever their purpose is whatever their

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investigation is

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and they're going to continue to do that

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but their technology levels are they're

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not within a hundred years of us we're

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not going to be where they are in 100

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years yeah no way there's no way

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well yeah and who and

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if they're all the same i mean there

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could be so many different also

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absolutely yeah it's so hard to to

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what they think of us and usually

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what we do in our societies

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is that uh the the stronger

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segment will take over the weaker one

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you know that's that's unfortunately

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a human nature luckily it's not

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so far as we know it's not their nature

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uh because if they they obviously uh

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whatever they are or whoever they are

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wherever they're from

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um like you said to get here

284
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they have to have some type of high

285
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intelligence that we can't even probably

286
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can't even imagine

287
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i just think that something was going on

288
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on this planet thousands and thousands

289
00:10:56,949 --> 00:10:55,040
of years ago yeah and it's all good

290
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and for some reason maybe maybe it

291
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wasn't the ice age maybe it was pangaea

292
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i don't know

293
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for some reason

294
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that all left

295
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and i think the aftermath is what we

296
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have in ruins around us today

297
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which still of everything we know is

298
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only about 10 of what's there so

299
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archaeology continues which is a real

300
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favorite subject of mine and i study it

301
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quite a bit because in my experiences

302
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especially the experience i had in

303
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november five i became

304
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literally obsessed with the shape of a

305
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pyramid

306
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and when i saw that movie close

307
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encounters was the third kind and i've

308
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said i said this and identified also

309
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and then just this discovery plus uh

310
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alien endgame

311
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you know it was as if when i was in that

312
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theater

313
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when that part when that roy got you

314
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know roy richard dreyfuss is sitting in

315
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front of the mailbox yeah boxes and he's

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trying to look at a map he's got a

317
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flashlight in his mouth yeah and when

318
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that those lights pop on

319
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and he's i it's it's as if the vacuum or

320
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something the air

321
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was pulled out of that vehicle and he

322
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kind of moved several ways in which he

323
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seemed like

324
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like

325
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sound or something was entering his mind

326
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or maybe thoughts or something he was

327
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like being programmed from above i don't

328
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know if that's a proper way to describe

329
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it but

330
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you know he he played that part pretty

331
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well i had to get up and leave the

332
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theater i couldn't i couldn't watch that

333
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yeah because this that you actually that

334
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that movie premiered shortly after you

335
00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:27,760
had your incident yeah so we'll get into

336
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all that yeah as we go so let's uh let's

337
00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:32,720
talk you went through high school

338
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obviously and you decided to join the

339
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service

340
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i did i lost my father real young he was

341
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in a car accident 73 my first day of my

342
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senior high school year

343
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and um yeah and i wouldn't he was a

344
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merchant seaman of chief a chief

345
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engineer with texaco and he was quite

346
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interesting

347
00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:50,720
uh he was from banaca honduras and he

348
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was a self-taught engineer and later

349
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went to school and did really good

350
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things wow and um he used to tell me

351
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about things that they would see under

352
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the ocean

353
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really killed all of his life yeah he

354
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said son there's things out there in

355
00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:04,639
that ocean

356
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that are fast as jets

357
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you know i just growing up i just shook

358
00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:10,639
that off and didn't think nothing about

359
00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:12,880
it he said something's there

360
00:13:18,389 --> 00:13:16,000
and uh he also talked about a legend

361
00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:18,399
that existed in some part of banaca

362
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honduras honduras

363
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that

364
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there were these uh

365
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these these uh i guess some type of a

366
00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:28,480
being that

367
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that were tall and they were

368
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real pale skin red headed

369
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long hair bearded and they didn't walk

370
00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:38,160
they floated above the ground like three

371
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or four feet and his kids they they saw

372
00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:41,120
them

373
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and they said their eyes were like

374
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they're they had like burning eyes so

375
00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:47,760
i just thought i said yeah dad okay you

376
00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:48,480
know

377
00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:49,839
i don't think nothing about it but he

378
00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:51,839
said that several times and there were

379
00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:53,839
ruins on his property that's never been

380
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:55,120
excavated

381
00:14:00,069 --> 00:13:57,360
really well yeah wow

382
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i was here i'm gonna pop this this up

383
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:01,040
here

384
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back in um

385
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:04,399
well that was uh beautiful

386
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that's down in central america i was

387
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:09,040
there with some friends uh several

388
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:11,680
several months ago um yeah pyramids are

389
00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:14,079
really interesting and

390
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:16,720
you know i mean you think of how they

391
00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:18,160
could you know how they had the

392
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,839
technology to build them and how they

393
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:21,519
could quarry them and

394
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:22,399
and

395
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,040
get them you know from so many miles

396
00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:27,680
away these blocks that weighed

397
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:28,800
you know

398
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:33,600
some of them um and there's like 24

399
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,839
million in the one of the gaza

400
00:14:39,509 --> 00:14:37,519
uh something like i mean i can't

401
00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:39,519
remember how many million there's there

402
00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:41,680
are blocks in the in the gaza pyramid

403
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:43,519
but yeah that that's that's always

404
00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:45,680
fascinating i like archaeology too you

405
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:48,800
know that's the geodetic geodetic center

406
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:51,680
of the planet of all land masses

407
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:53,600
did you know that i mean

408
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:55,360
and then also

409
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:58,160
from the weight of the great pyramid it

410
00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:59,839
can it could be nowhere else but where

411
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,920
it is because they actually built a base

412
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:03,600
for it to sit on

413
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:04,399
and

414
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:06,959
yeah that those those stones are just

415
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,279
gigantic and they're under the pyramid i

416
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:11,279
mean the whole plateau

417
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,959
was put there

418
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,160
so

419
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,240
these guys in loincloths and copper

420
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,320
hammers and tools and the round rocks

421
00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:21,040
that they used to chip endocyte and red

422
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:23,279
granite are you kidding me

423
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,760
no it's amazing

424
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,240
i read somewhere where this is so hard

425
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:30,079
to believe and i'm sure they'll be

426
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:33,199
preserved if humankind is still around

427
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:34,000
uh

428
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:35,600
not that we will be but at something

429
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:38,160
like 30 some odd million years

430
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:41,040
there'd be no sign of the pyramids

431
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:44,160
that if if the normal wear and tear and

432
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,199
weather

433
00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:47,680
supposedly they'd get worn down within

434
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,600
30 something million years which is so

435
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:51,199
hard to believe isn't it

436
00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:53,519
yeah i mean but think about something

437
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:55,360
built so well that it could last that

438
00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:58,320
long what has men built that could last

439
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:01,279
you know 500 years yeah not not a lot i

440
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:02,959
mean i'm just i'm going back to ancient

441
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,680
times but i mean really

442
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,360
there's construction measures and

443
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:09,519
methods that they had that is is

444
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,800
completely missing to us

445
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,320
yeah amazing well we're getting way off

446
00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:16,959
the subject ufos yeah that's okay so you

447
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:19,360
you joined the air force and yeah yeah

448
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:21,600
let's let's talk about how all that went

449
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,759
okay i uh went into the security but

450
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:25,920
went into security police and we were a

451
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:29,199
part of um there's two branches of

452
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,639
security police in the air force one's

453
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:32,959
law enforcement the others basically

454
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:35,440
security police which protects resources

455
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,759
and sensitive nuclear materials weapon

456
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:39,920
storage areas and that kind of thing law

457
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,320
enforcement on the base kind of kind of

458
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:44,000
protects like um

459
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:45,920
you know all the admin offices that kind

460
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:48,240
of thing gate security all that

461
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:51,120
everybody's armed everybody has you know

462
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,639
uh

463
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,959
protection authorities of all types and

464
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,040
use of deadly force of course but

465
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,440
there's a little bit different uh aspect

466
00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:00,800
of doing the duty you know you're

467
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,079
actually like the

468
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,480
the special forces portion of

469
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,559
you know of security police

470
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,480
and i guess his special forces today is

471
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:10,079
what they call them i'm really not sure

472
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,039
but uh

473
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,199
but i like to think so because we were

474
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,959
we were really trained well and we had

475
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,559
really good equipment and it was only

476
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,240
getting better and what they have today

477
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,319
was far better than what we had

478
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,000
back then

479
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,919
smart response vehicles and that kind of

480
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:25,360
thing oh yeah

481
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,480
yeah um so

482
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,640
i was my first base ellsworth air force

483
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,039
base and and i went right into missiles

484
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,200
because i was in security and

485
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,120
i worked all three areas out there

486
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,440
worked the 66 down in the badlands and

487
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,360
then i worked the 67th which was up

488
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:43,120
north of uh

489
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,840
of ellsworth air force base itself you

490
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,799
know because

491
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,480
ellsworth is the main supporting base

492
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,880
then all these facilities that you work

493
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,559
are called launch control facilities

494
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,960
where you live three days on four days

495
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,840
off

496
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,160
now let me ask you this is that is that

497
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,200
all on an adjoined property or these

498
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,039
separate properties oh they're all

499
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,280
separated yeah they're everywhere

500
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,200
and it forms part of norad you know

501
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,880
which you have minot north dakota

502
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,080
maelstrom

503
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:12,320
fe warren and what's the other one you

504
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,080
had ellsworth and you had offutt air

505
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,640
force base nebraska i mean you have all

506
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,640
these they all form that network and

507
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,679
then of course

508
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,840
cheyenne mountain you know as norad you

509
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:23,200
know

510
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:28,799
it's really was really quite a uh quite

511
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,080
a complex you know and i guess since 81

512
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,760
is when i guess something was reached

513
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,520
for the soviet union

514
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:37,120
and um president reagan they

515
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,200
decommissioned the missile side at

516
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,559
ellsworth but they of course they've got

517
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,360
b-2 bombers there so those are those are

518
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,280
alert aircraft you know

519
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:47,360
everybody thinks that you know if these

520
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:50,000
nukes were to ever launch you know

521
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,679
how long would it take to get there well

522
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:53,760
what's the the shortest area there is

523
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,840
over the north pole right that's exactly

524
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,280
what the soviet would do what we would

525
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,679
do so you know talking 15 minutes or

526
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,799
less

527
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,160
that's pretty scary when you really

528
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,760
think about it you know

529
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:05,360
the whole the whole thing i mean it

530
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,320
really is uh when you think about

531
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,280
like if uh you you know you saw the

532
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,600
movie war games i'm sure absolutely you

533
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,760
know i mean how close

534
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,440
you could be to the end of the world it

535
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,400
could happen so easily

536
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,880
i can tell you it's it's pretty it's

537
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,880
been real close several times more than

538
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:27,600
civilian population we'll know yeah and

539
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,160
you were you were involved in something

540
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:32,559
that seemed like it could have happened

541
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,520
i don't know

542
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,360
if we want to talk about that now or we

543
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,360
should we talk about the series of

544
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:38,720
events that

545
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:41,760
uh well i can do either um

546
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:43,039
well let's since we're talking about

547
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,760
that

548
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:46,240
particular

549
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,039
um

550
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,280
you told me a story on on when i was

551
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,720
driving

552
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,400
and we were talking on the phone

553
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,799
and i i want to hear that about driving

554
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,320
the trucks uh

555
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,880
oh yeah yeah you know everybody always

556
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,880
talks about how um

557
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,440
signals were lost or how these missiles

558
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,200
would go offline in the launch control

559
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,440
facilities in the in the missile combat

560
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,159
crew down in underground you know we're

561
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,799
the response team they direct us to go

562
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,960
to these affected missile sites

563
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,280
and um you know we have an alert team

564
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,080
that a a security response team that's

565
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,919
primary during days and then at night

566
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,240
you have a secondary team everybody

567
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,840
works 12-hour shifts

568
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,159
and so on a facility just right off the

569
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,799
rip you've got six security policemen

570
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,640
uh one our team

571
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,320
formed two people then you have a backup

572
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,840
alert team two people and two you have

573
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,840
two flight security controllers and they

574
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,000
direct those art teams but the real

575
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,000
direction comes from downstairs when

576
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,600
there is an alarm

577
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,200
you know on a site whether it be an

578
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,559
outer perimeter

579
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,480
alarm or inner perimeter alarm which is

580
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,080
much more serious which is what happened

581
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,679
november 5.

582
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,440
uh you have a facility manager and you

583
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,520
have four officers there so two are on

584
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,120
duty at any given time they work the

585
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,600
same shifts we do they're underground 12

586
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,760
you know 12 hours at a time and then up

587
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,919
you know and then for three days on four

588
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,280
days off

589
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,360
um

590
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,919
this particular night uh

591
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,679
if you mean to just go into that but

592
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,240
yeah sure yeah okay the um

593
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,799
a lot of times if if if the missiles

594
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,000
went off

595
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,080
line of course everybody lost their

596
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,080
minds and we didn't know which way to go

597
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,840
we were waiting for direction of what to

598
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:24,720
do

599
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:28,000
so you know within that uh echelon of

600
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,200
rank

601
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,120
uh these officers i guess i don't know

602
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,200
how they discussed it with each other we

603
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,600
talked to norad i mean who joined chiefs

604
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,080
of staff whoever they discussed it with

605
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,679
you know with the problem

606
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,440
but for us

607
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,480
the main

608
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,840
thing that used to really get me was

609
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,159
when these missiles cycled themselves to

610
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,679
launch

611
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,240
meaning that they had no control over

612
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,760
what it was doing it just went through

613
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,600
the whole process on their on their

614
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,720
panel downstairs okay november november

615
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,120
10 is going to launch you know and what

616
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:01,039
they would do how can we stop it we

617
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:01,919
can't

618
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,200
so so can you can you tell me was there

619
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,880
a ufo involved in this particular case

620
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,720
i don't know i sometimes it was

621
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,679
sometimes there weren't so these things

622
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,520
does is this something that

623
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,039
can happen

624
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,039
i mean

625
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,039
after what i saw any damn thing can

626
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,559
happen

627
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,520
yeah

628
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,200
that is just crazy

629
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,280
something that dangerous can

630
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,240
yeah

631
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,360
arm itself somehow somehow

632
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,200
and prepare itself for launch i mean

633
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,360
those are solid fuel rockets you know so

634
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:38,400
there's underground there's

635
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,600
dehumidifiers that keeps those rockets

636
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,760
dehumidified or the or the fuel source

637
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,919
which is a powder at that time

638
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,919
now they're liquid

639
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,200
but um

640
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,440
so we would be dispatched in a hurry get

641
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,120
there as quick as you can

642
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,880
open the gates

643
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,960
drive onto the site you know there's a

644
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,120
13-ton blast door that sits on top of

645
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,559
these missiles

646
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:02,720
and if that missile were to launch in

647
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,880
reality in real world that blast door it

648
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,760
goes back at supersonic speed almost and

649
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,520
it hits a great big steel plate about

650
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:13,600
two and a half three inches deep or

651
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,480
thick

652
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,000
and it's on rails just like on a

653
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,360
railroad track

654
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,200
and you can see simulations there you

655
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,679
can see actual launches i think from one

656
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,080
of the bases in california how these

657
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,919
things launch and how they work

658
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,600
um but anyway

659
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,600
it's supposed to trip the door and blow

660
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,200
it up and blow it up and out and over

661
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,720
the fence which is supposed to blow it

662
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:34,159
about an eighth of a mile believe it or

663
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,840
not

664
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,320
but what they had us do was being this

665
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,480
missile was you know they've lost

666
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,960
control of it and it was cycling itself

667
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,640
to launch

668
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,480
they would have us drive our vehicles

669
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,400
out there as quickly as possible two-man

670
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,960
team in one vehicle an f-154 pickup

671
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,760
truck

672
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,400
and sit it on top of the missile side or

673
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,480
sit it on top of the blast door

674
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,320
and then put it in neutral

675
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,320
and get off the site by a mile just in

676
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,159
case that they had one thing launched

677
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,400
hoping that when the blast door

678
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,840
blew off

679
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,919
being the vehicle was in neutral it

680
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:10,000
would drop down on the missile and it

681
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,960
would

682
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,799
mess it up in some way or its guidance

683
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,640
system and it would just go off and hit

684
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,480
the ground and detonate you know

685
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,240
conventional it wouldn't be nuclear i

686
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,480
don't guess but i don't really know that

687
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,520
but

688
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,320
we did that i don't know how many times

689
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,640
and now from that was from geez i think

690
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,360
that was from 76 all the way to 79 i

691
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,039
probably responded i probably went to

692
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,120
eight or ten of those and i was it was

693
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,200
i'm just one i was one of 800 security

694
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,960
policemen so

695
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,080
that is

696
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,080
yeah and my incident wasn't alone you

697
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,679
know i was you're never alone in any of

698
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,039
these situations you always have a

699
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,039
partner or you have another team member

700
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,799
that's with you or you maybe there may

701
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,559
be two teams or

702
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,880
you may have several six or eight people

703
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,320
with you

704
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,120
that seems like such a national security

705
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,640
issue

706
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:58,000
it just seems

707
00:25:04,470 --> 00:24:59,039
like

708
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,480
but there are there are cases even in

709
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,919
russia

710
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,159
but it did involve a ufo

711
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,600
yes where

712
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,039
the line secrets

713
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,799
yeah we had several that did also but

714
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,159
there were several times it went to a

715
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,600
site where there was nothing it had

716
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:17,440
already been there

717
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,440
they would leave i mean you might see a

718
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,080
streak across the sky i didn't see that

719
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,360
you know i saw something completely

720
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,200
different on november 5.

721
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,840
yeah there was no question what i saw

722
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,080
yeah well you know we've got like an

723
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:34,000
hour and a half we've got plenty of time

724
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,080
to talk about all this so uh but um

725
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,919
you know uh the

726
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,480
aftermath of

727
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,520
of just that alone that's that's i mean

728
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,880
you must have been scared out of your

729
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,080
wits

730
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,799
well it it's an awakening and sobering

731
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,600
uh career field you know

732
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:55,360
you're not even thinking anything like

733
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,000
that you're thinking you know

734
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,279
anti-terrorism and you know what could

735
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,960
happen if somebody would access one of

736
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,760
these sites which would be pretty i mean

737
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,480
i guess it could be possible but

738
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,120
to get to an actual warhead on one of

739
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,480
those sites

740
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,320
believe me there would it would be a

741
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,559
huge firefight because we we would know

742
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,919
you're there and we would bring

743
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,919
everything to stop

744
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,279
yeah and uh you know that was in the

745
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,120
time of russell means and the indian

746
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,279
movement that was going on out there and

747
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,640
it was we had there was a whole bunch of

748
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,799
threats always so we were always in a

749
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,200
heightened in a state of awareness you

750
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,960
know and our patrols you know we

751
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,480
patrolled every day you just don't stay

752
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,159
at a missile site wait for dispatch you

753
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,480
know you patrol do launch facility but

754
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,640
checks and all that stuff so you check

755
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,799
everything you escort people out there

756
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,360
you escort the alert teams that come out

757
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,039
to do work or

758
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,679
um you know or to reach you know

759
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,120
whatever they had to do to the missile

760
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,360
itself or the platform or anything like

761
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,480
that

762
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:53,919
so

763
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,480
even 150 warheads how many miles apart

764
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,000
were was the total

765
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,320
would you say i mean how much mileage

766
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:04,240
would that cover like square miles or

767
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,200
whatever

768
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,679
you mean the entire network there yeah

769
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,640
yeah well if you looked at a map i mean

770
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,200
it started it started at ellsworth from

771
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,120
the badlands

772
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:17,600
all the way over into wyoming at fe

773
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,720
warren so wow it went completely and all

774
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,200
the way north into minot north dakota

775
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,360
then all the way northwest to malstrom

776
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,120
air force base so you can kind of see

777
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,880
this vast

778
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,480
you know it's a

779
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,480
missile network that exists there and

780
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,399
all those except those words still exist

781
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:35,600
today

782
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,120
now it is a network is it is it yeah and

783
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:41,279
so with a centralized

784
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,320
control

785
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,720
center that type of thing well i mean

786
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,559
you know of course the president has the

787
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,960
ultimate uh launch capability but you

788
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,840
know if directives are are done or or

789
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,799
carried out each launch control facility

790
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,679
the the missile crew that are there the

791
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,760
officers that are there you know they

792
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:01,919
have the keys and lock boxes below

793
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,559
ground in in their facility there's two

794
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,559
weapons there and not one person can

795
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,640
turn two keys not one person can launch

796
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,880
a nuclear weapon there's no way

797
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,039
physically possible to do that that's

798
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,200
good that's very good i remember there

799
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:17,520
was a accident where someone dropped a

800
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,320
tool

801
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:21,679
a wrench a wrench yeah yeah and a pool

802
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,559
line and that was a liquid fuel rocket

803
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,559
that was a that was a uh that was a

804
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,600
titan not a min not a minuteman oh okay

805
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,600
and it blew a crater

806
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,120
i mean

807
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
gargantuan

808
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,440
yeah yeah yeah it was terrible they

809
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,440
couldn't stop it you know and now of

810
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,120
course you know everything's tethered to

811
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,640
people that work on them they didn't do

812
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,520
that then oh wow all tools are tethered

813
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,200
to an individual oh yeah yeah that makes

814
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,520
that totally makes sense yeah yeah i'm

815
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,760
sure that's the initiation of it

816
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,480
when that happened oh my god yeah

817
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,720
terrible thing yeah yeah i think it's

818
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:58,159
still i think it's still costing people

819
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:02,399
their lives but uh but it was bad

820
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,320
wow so uh you heard uh

821
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,799
since this all happened to you you heard

822
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,679
about the particular area you were in

823
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,159
there were people seeing ufos starting

824
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,240
all the way back in 1953 is that right

825
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,559
absolutely yeah and what did you how did

826
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:20,080
you hear about that who talked about

827
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,039
that

828
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,960
uh well i i met a couple of officers

829
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,120
there i played a lot of tennis back then

830
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,240
and i was pretty good at it and uh

831
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,679
really tried to seek a professional

832
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,159
career that at one time but um

833
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,120
you know

834
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,919
these b-52 bomber officers and other

835
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,360
missile officers that were there they

836
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,039
would talk about things and they'd been

837
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,559
there several years

838
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,240
and when i first got there there were

839
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,640
actually two f-86

840
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,200
fighter aircraft and two hangars

841
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,440
but they had they had

842
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,279
a couple of sightings where these air

843
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,520
these crab came right down on the runway

844
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,600
at ellsworth now mind you they had an

845
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,559
uploaded b-52 bomber wing so you got

846
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,559
these buffs sitting everywhere on the on

847
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,799
the alert pad and they're uploaded with

848
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,360
with nukes they're ready to go

849
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,799
and um

850
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,559
it was as if they were being the flight

851
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,960
controllers were actually being taunted

852
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:12,080
by these

853
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,880
and they would come down within 25 or 30

854
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,279
feet of the runway over it

855
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,520
and then wait for these fighter jets to

856
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,240
be scrambled and just lead them away

857
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,960
north toward minot north dakota and then

858
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,720
just run away from them

859
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,559
and they that happened six or eight

860
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,399
times

861
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,399
yeah from from those years that year you

862
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,799
just described all the way into

863
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,000
i guess the late 60s and early 70s now i

864
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,919
was working in the missile field so i

865
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,279
didn't see any of that but there but

866
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:45,039
that did happen a few times while i was

867
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,840
there

868
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,520
i wonder if any of these can be found in

869
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,399
project blue book files you know because

870
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,919
that was

871
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:54,159
yeah 1969 was the last year they were

872
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,760
around 59. yeah um i don't know you know

873
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,240
i i think project blue book was just a

874
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,440
information controlled uh yeah uh window

875
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,240
dressing yeah um so

876
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,000
and and since it was military it

877
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,519
probably was just kept hush hush yes

878
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,000
and they could do away with they did

879
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:17,120
yeah yeah so we're gonna talk let's talk

880
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,880
about you talk about this november five

881
00:31:24,029 --> 00:31:23,039
excellent okay and what what year

882
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,039
was that

883
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,919
1977

884
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,080
um on this particular night i don't know

885
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,840
the exact date but it was before

886
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,120
thanksgiving

887
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,679
uh in 1977 it was cold it had already

888
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,559
been a blizzard in late october

889
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,360
yeah

890
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,880
it's like 50 but dakotas are really

891
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,559
something yeah i'm going to hear yeah

892
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,080
and believe me you're prepared for it

893
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,480
you've got parkas bunny boots pant

894
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,440
parkas you know i mean i mean you have

895
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,519
really great cold weather gear

896
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,000
and uh that's what kept keeps us alive

897
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,640
out there believe it or not yeah

898
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,279
anyway this one particular night

899
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559
i was working with a new guy named

900
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,000
michael johnson

901
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,080
and a real nice guy and

902
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,880
he was working vacation relief

903
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,080
uh

904
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,360
i stepped outside about 9 15 9 20. i

905
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,360
smoked back then and i just wanted some

906
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
fresh air you know and our missile sides

907
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
we only there was only three tv channels

908
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,799
back then yeah and uh

909
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,640
we had a nice day room you know you have

910
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,399
a kitchen you have a cheap cook and all

911
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,679
that stuff so

912
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,880
you know you got your flight security

913
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,159
controller's office and you have your

914
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,480
bedrooms in the back where your facility

915
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,559
manager sleeps and

916
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,559
two off-duty officers they sleep in

917
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,640
those back rooms and then you have of

918
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,120
course your off-duty security placement

919
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,840
and so we were on duty from the 6 pm to

920
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,440
6 a.m shift

921
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,679
and as i said about 9 30 i just stepped

922
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,000
outside to smoke a cigarette

923
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,159
and just right out the front door and

924
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,399
of the vegetable and every every

925
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,919
building up there has a vegetable to

926
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,480
protect from cold into the warm area you

927
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,679
know

928
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,760
expose it with a door on the inside but

929
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,880
anyway

930
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,960
our vehicle was kept directly outside

931
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,559
the flight security controller's office

932
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,000
and it was plugged in

933
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,279
we had a

934
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,440
a warmer that kept the transmission

935
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,880
fluid uh and the fluids uh warm right

936
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:12,880
now in the event of this and the bad

937
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,679
weather in cold weather like you know 50

938
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,480
below yeah yeah so i i've seen the tires

939
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,320
frozen to the cement but or frozen to

940
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,240
the parking lot before

941
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,159
yeah so anyway i just stepped outside to

942
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,720
smoke a cigarette it's about 9 20 9 30

943
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,840
at night

944
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,360
and i just happened to look and i would

945
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,600
be looking east

946
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,000
and i see this object or i see something

947
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,159
i didn't know as an object at the time

948
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,880
at about a 30 degree

949
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,240
elevation

950
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,760
maybe

951
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,279
i don't know

952
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,679
five six miles away

953
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,880
and i thought it would first it was a

954
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,039
helicopter or i said well it could be

955
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,960
b-52 bombers but

956
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,120
you know because they'll do these really

957
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,279
low running sorties that when they do

958
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,880
their practice bomb runs that's what

959
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,120
they do they come in real low altitude

960
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,039
they're really fast you know and i i

961
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,960
didn't know a b52 bomber could do that i

962
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,640
thought it was all high altitude stuff

963
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,880
and that's not true so

964
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,000
um

965
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,839
anyway i see this thing and

966
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,000
it looked odd it was a different color

967
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,639
or something it was flickering different

968
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,280
i mean what the heck is that

969
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,200
so i'd looked away and i looked back at

970
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,399
it and it's still there and it was

971
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,159
stationary i said well that's not that's

972
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,639
not a planet it's not you know

973
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,639
it's not a star i know not a star you

974
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,240
know you see jupiter or venus or

975
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,639
whatever

976
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,720
well maybe it's a helicopter i said i'm

977
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,399
so

978
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,159
i don't know what came over me i said

979
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,679
i'm gonna off

980
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,359
i'm gonna flip the security lights at

981
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,480
this thing

982
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,480
so not even thinking they could see you

983
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,079
you know or anything like that but out

984
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,320
there this missile side or this launch

985
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,760
control facility would stand out

986
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,800
like

987
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,200
you know a welder's light because it's

988
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,200
all prairie i mean these buffalo run the

989
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,240
prairies there you know

990
00:35:01,109 --> 00:35:00,000
and um

991
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,119
so

992
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,359
i walked inside and bill holloman he was

993
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,640
a staff sergeant he was our flight

994
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:06,000
security controller a good friend of

995
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,880
mine

996
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,400
he was on the phone with his wife back

997
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,160
in rapid city and i said bill i said i

998
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:12,000
see something out here man in the air in

999
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,960
the sky

1000
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,200
it says right over here you know to the

1001
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,560
east of us

1002
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,079
he just looked at me and kind of waved

1003
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,079
at me like that he was talking his wife

1004
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,920
i said i'm gonna flip the lights at it i

1005
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,280
think it's a helicopter or something

1006
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,920
i'll see if it flips back you know

1007
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,520
the only reason i did that's because it

1008
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,760
when i sailed with my father back in the

1009
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,760
summers when i was growing up

1010
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,920
ships sometimes signal lights and you've

1011
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,599
seen that on movies in the navy they

1012
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,359
flicked lights at each other yeah

1013
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,599
communicate at sea right right

1014
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,320
i did just that i just no sequence no

1015
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,079
sos or anything i don't even know if i

1016
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,480
knew what an sos was like

1017
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,720
i think i was supposed to but i didn't

1018
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,400
and i just flipped the facility lights

1019
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,480
there's about 12 to 14 of these big

1020
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:55,119
large cans you know on all the perimeter

1021
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,400
fencing and on the perimeter of the

1022
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,680
building

1023
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,320
so it looked like

1024
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,280
it was a big signal you know yeah and

1025
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,119
one switch controlled them all so i just

1026
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,680
went blip blip blip blip blip

1027
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,160
back one walked outside and looked

1028
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,599
thinking you know if it's a helicopter

1029
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,880
they'll maybe they're going to come this

1030
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,720
way or something

1031
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,400
so i just i was looking at it and all

1032
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,960
sudden it just went off

1033
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,720
in about five seconds pass and it popped

1034
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,240
back on and i went

1035
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,829
so i did it again

1036
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,599
i went back in you know i'm only i'm

1037
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,520
only 10 feet up outside the door you

1038
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,680
know run back in i say man i got

1039
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,680
flipping this light at something so i

1040
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,560
did it again and i go back up

1041
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,720
and lo and behold

1042
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,680
it goes out again and pops back on

1043
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,520
i did this three times and i went and i

1044
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,599
got michael johnson all right i told him

1045
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,280
i said you got to see this i asked bill

1046
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,119
holloman to come out there

1047
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,359
and uh he was he didn't even he didn't

1048
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,119
want to even acknowledge me really he

1049
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,560
was just on the phone with his wife

1050
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,560
worried about kids but

1051
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,640
anyway so michael johnson comes out and

1052
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,160
i said man you got to check this out i

1053
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,680
said i flipped the lights of this thing

1054
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,359
i said it's not moving

1055
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,359
yeah it's not moving

1056
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,599
um watch this i said i'm gonna go flip

1057
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,720
the lights out

1058
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,160
so i flipped the lights at it again that

1059
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,760
would have been the fourth time third or

1060
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:16,000
fourth time

1061
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,200
and uh

1062
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,200
it went out

1063
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,400
didn't come back on

1064
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,599
back on and i went

1065
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,359
well man this is really strange i say

1066
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,440
what maybe it turned the other direction

1067
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,520
so i can't see the light you know or

1068
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:33,920
whatever it was i don't know just i

1069
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,160
don't know landed i don't know so

1070
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,520
michael johnson walked back in

1071
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,880
and i hung around outside and i was

1072
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,240
still looking just kind of questioning

1073
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,160
what i'd seen

1074
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,520
and all of a sudden to the north

1075
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,720
boom it just pops on and it seemed like

1076
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,920
from where it was to where it ended up

1077
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,839
it moved

1078
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,680
kind of like to its left kind of like

1079
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,240
more westerly kind of like to out toward

1080
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
the north of where

1081
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
i had originally seen it to the east put

1082
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,000
it that way

1083
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,079
and it kind of maybe it went in a been

1084
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,480
at an angle kind of uh because it wasn't

1085
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,480
as far away it was brighter

1086
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:16,400
when it popped back on

1087
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,200
so

1088
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,960
it kind of startled me when i saw that

1089
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,640
and i'm like wow

1090
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,240
maybe that is a plane but i couldn't you

1091
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,760
know it wasn't moving like a plane it

1092
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,800
was just

1093
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,359
stationary in the sky

1094
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,200
so

1095
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,880
i went back in one more time and i

1096
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,240
flipped the lights at it again when i

1097
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,359
came back out it was out it was gone

1098
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,119
and that was about probably quarter to

1099
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,000
ten then you know so 15 20 minutes i

1100
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,079
messed with this thing you know this i

1101
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,760
did the light thing

1102
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,960
so i didn't worry about it went back

1103
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,640
into the day room picked up a book or

1104
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,640
looked at one of the three tv channels

1105
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,560
that we had and we're just north of a

1106
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,760
little town called newell south dakota

1107
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,480
the population there was 230. they were

1108
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,920
real proud of that because there's a

1109
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,800
sign

1110
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,960
coming on how you know are coming north

1111
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200
on highway 79

1112
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,280
as you enter newell

1113
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,040
and then on as you exit newell so on

1114
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,000
both internet entry and exit

1115
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,880
population 230.

1116
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,760
today at 670. i was just there oh is

1117
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,320
that right yeah now is this that's not

1118
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,400
renewal there oh that right there that's

1119
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,640
a november five missile site that's okay

1120
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,880
yeah all right

1121
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,320
google earth uh longitude latitude

1122
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,710
so you were just saying that population

1123
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,440
grew to 670 i think you said since this

1124
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:38,000
four since 40 something 43 years ago

1125
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,119
yeah

1126
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,720
so um

1127
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,960
anyway like i said i went back inside

1128
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,800
and just sat down and watched some tv

1129
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,040
read a book and just messed around went

1130
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,520
and talked to bill holloman a little bit

1131
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,960
and didn't do too much and all of a

1132
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,839
sudden about 12 20 12 30

1133
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,640
the mcc phone from the capsule crew from

1134
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,119
the officers downstairs it just went off

1135
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,960
and it was you know that means you're

1136
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,720
going to go somewhere and when it goes

1137
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,400
off it's one of those phones that rings

1138
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,440
like it doesn't ring it goes

1139
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,800
like that

1140
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,119
gotta pick it up or die listening to it

1141
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,880
one of the two that's real loud you

1142
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,680
can't miss it yeah so it was one of the

1143
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,119
it was a captain downstairs i don't

1144
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,680
remember his name um

1145
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,880
uh anyway so we had a sit four which is

1146
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:23,520
a

1147
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,240
levels

1148
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,760
alarmed

1149
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,880
and uh

1150
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,599
the outer outer perimeter alarm was is a

1151
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,680
normal thing birds and rabbits or owls

1152
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,599
or whatever you know set those off all

1153
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,720
the time

1154
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,200
and uh but that inner perimeter alarm is

1155
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,760
or a inner alarm is really a serious

1156
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
deal so

1157
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,880
uh we got our security briefing and all

1158
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,560
that stuff from the capsule crew and our

1159
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,720
travel time is about 15 minutes and all

1160
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
that stuff is pre-arranged and set up

1161
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,400
and well organized

1162
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,800
so crank the vehicle up got it going got

1163
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,319
our ditty bags our weapons our usk code

1164
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,359
tables

1165
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,480
all of our stuff to go to november 5.

1166
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,880
and uh michael johnson was a team leader

1167
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,119
he outranked me by about two months so

1168
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,280
that's that's

1169
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,680
tuesday yeah oh it's just laughing how

1170
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,400
the rank works yeah yeah two months it

1171
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,480
can be one day it doesn't matter really

1172
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,440
wow yeah that's the nature of things but

1173
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:37,440
really it's a good thing but uh anyhow

1174
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,240
so

1175
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,800
he was driving i was a passenger

1176
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,920
and at no at november one where we were

1177
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:45,280
november one is the launch control

1178
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,319
facility

1179
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,160
and all the missiles the surrounding

1180
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,480
area are all november missiles in our in

1181
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:51,920
our little squadron

1182
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,040
you have kilo not far away oscar mike

1183
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,359
lima all the way down the the phonetic

1184
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,040
alphabet you know

1185
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:00,640
and um

1186
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,160
so uh and that's our emblem for uh 44

1187
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,599
squadron yeah

1188
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,920
and uh so anyway we get everything

1189
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,119
issued and

1190
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,359
vehicles rolling and uh

1191
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,599
we go out the gate and down to the end

1192
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,280
of the road and turn the left turn left

1193
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,440
on a play road these clay roads go from

1194
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,280
one state to the other just as straight

1195
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,079
as an arrow on plane

1196
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,760
but uh at the

1197
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,599
corner turn left next corner turn

1198
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,880
another left then i was approaching we

1199
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,280
were approaching highway 79

1200
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:31,440
so as we and that was about i guess it's

1201
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,230
so as we're approaching you're kind of

1202
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,640
like down in a little uh little valley

1203
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,480
kind of thing that i

1204
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,079
you know it's a prairie so you have

1205
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,839
these ups and downs

1206
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,839
and uh all the road beds there like

1207
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,160
highways are built up a little bit on on

1208
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,920
a bed so

1209
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,280
i guess so

1210
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,200
snow and so forth will run off of them

1211
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,760
as they as it melts or outside it's uh

1212
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,800
plowed

1213
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:01,520
and uh so as i approached we got up to

1214
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,839
highway 79 that wrote it went up 279. i

1215
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,119
just happened to look over to about the

1216
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,440
four o'clock position in you know where

1217
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
november 5 would be as the crow flies

1218
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,280
about five miles away

1219
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,319
and i honestly see this glow

1220
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,680
from the ground it looked like

1221
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,839
like the sun sitting there i mean i was

1222
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,720
like

1223
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,720
michael you see that

1224
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,720
i said you see that i said that's the

1225
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,480
color that i said that's that that's

1226
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,560
that thing that was in the air

1227
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,040
he's like it freaked him out

1228
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,760
he he uh oh now would this would this be

1229
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,359
this image here

1230
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,160
that would be it but not yet but not

1231
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,640
there yet all right

1232
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,160
so

1233
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,000
anyway we turn right

1234
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,680
as we turn right of course that four

1235
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,319
o'clock position came to my about my two

1236
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,319
o'clock position because we're up on a

1237
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,760
we're up on a rise now on top of the

1238
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,000
plateau plateau heading down toward

1239
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,160
newell which was about i guess about

1240
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,240
eight miles seven maybe eight miles to

1241
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,400
the stop sign in newell there is one

1242
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,720
stop sign and there's one traffic light

1243
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,400
and that's it

1244
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,960
literally that's it and it still is

1245
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,160
today

1246
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,640
um so as we got to the stop sign of

1247
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,200
course as we went down the hill

1248
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,480
you know i kind of lost sight of the

1249
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,160
glow and i kept saying man that's that

1250
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,280
same object or that's that same glow

1251
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,280
he he really couldn't even speak and

1252
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,359
we'd never worked together before this

1253
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,560
was our first time together ever so

1254
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,839
you know what i've been working with him

1255
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,440
now it's six hours

1256
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,960
you know and that's just the way

1257
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,800
vacation relief went you came out and

1258
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,520
worked a cycle or a tour of duty

1259
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,200
as vacation relief and then you went

1260
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,880
back to your normal flight that's what

1261
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,040
it was called

1262
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,560
so

1263
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,119
when we got to the stop sign i have no

1264
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,359
can't see it and i'm i'm wondering what

1265
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,280
is this what is that you know i mean

1266
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,240
that's

1267
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,079
i just kept saying it to myself i hope

1268
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,280
it's whatever it is is gone i hope

1269
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,839
so the road as we turn right

1270
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:02,240
on the ormond road you can look it up on

1271
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:06,640
on google maps ormond road orman

1272
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,920
it go it goes out

1273
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,839
it goes to the right it's about a mile

1274
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,000
and a half and then it dog legs to the

1275
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,240
left and it drops off back onto clay

1276
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,520
again

1277
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,839
and when we rounded that corner

1278
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,000
that november 5 picture you just popped

1279
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,760
up there a minute ago

1280
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,599
that object was sitting on top of that

1281
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,720
missile side about five foot in the air

1282
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,119
so was it was it sitting like it shows

1283
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,760
here in the image and by the way i can

1284
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,440
i'm going to have these images in show

1285
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,160
notes it did not it did not make contact

1286
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,839
with the ground it was sitting about

1287
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,160
five to ten feet off the ground

1288
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,200
and so was it like a like a sphere

1289
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,880
it was just as you see it right there it

1290
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,119
looked like a mini sun

1291
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,040
and uh

1292
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,000
that movie that travis walton is is in

1293
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,680
that they made that fire in the sky oh

1294
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,160
yeah that's the color that that thing

1295
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,040
emanated it was as if it had a gaseous

1296
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,040
exterior on it there's no hard edges

1297
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,680
there's no leading edges or any metal or

1298
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,680
any insignias or anything that i could

1299
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,720
see

1300
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,400
while i could look at it because it was

1301
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,599
so bright

1302
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,839
that it was extremely difficult to

1303
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,800
really try to focus on and to get lost

1304
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,720
in that thought of looking at it

1305
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:20,880
was it was it lighting up the whole area

1306
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,240
like absolutely oh yes sir

1307
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,119
it lit up everything and you see where

1308
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,200
the in that picture where we positioned

1309
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,839
our vehicle which was at a 45 degree

1310
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,400
angle which was a normal response angle

1311
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,920
and that little line in front of it

1312
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,839
that's a cattle crossing gate which is

1313
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,520
still here today

1314
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,200
and that distance from that cattle

1315
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,440
crossing gate to the main gate

1316
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,920
of that of the launch facility

1317
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,440
is only about

1318
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:50,400
25 yards it's very close but that object

1319
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,480
was so large if i can just say this that

1320
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:56,400
when i

1321
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,440
seal of that f-150

1322
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:04,400
well let me let my back up a little bit

1323
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,510
and um

1324
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,069
it was so bright and overwhelming

1325
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,190
i don't know i don't know i should say

1326
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,680
this but

1327
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,280
you could close your eyes and you could

1328
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,359
see this thing behind your eyelids it

1329
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,960
was that bright it was like a welder's

1330
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,000
light

1331
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,920
and all of a sudden it was all in one

1332
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,800
motion as if and our windows are up

1333
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,640
you know we're in full blown parkas i've

1334
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,200
got my m16 right here for my legs and

1335
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:40,559
you know i'm just sitting just like this

1336
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,079
i had my i had one mitten on

1337
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,599
and um

1338
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,319
i had my mag light and all of a sudden

1339
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,800
it got so bright in that truck that you

1340
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,000
couldn't even really look at the

1341
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,079
dashboard this is this has this is an

1342
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,680
f-154

1343
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,440
dark blue exterior

1344
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,680
and blue interior you know the old vinyl

1345
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,480
interior that they had on them then

1346
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,280
and all of a sudden all the oxygen

1347
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:07,440
and everything in that vehicle was like

1348
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,640
it was just pulled up and out of it

1349
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,720
and i remember i looked at michael

1350
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,359
johnson and he was like in a globe to my

1351
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,440
he's to my left as he was driving the

1352
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,520
vehicle and he was stuck to the wheel

1353
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,040
just like this

1354
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,440
he never he never looked to me or looked

1355
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,520
to my to his right he never looked at me

1356
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,040
never said anything

1357
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,800
to my knowledge

1358
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,880
now just pardon me for one second did

1359
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,720
you get on the horn and you know on the

1360
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,760
radio and radio this thing in

1361
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,920
i don't i don't think i did i don't

1362
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,280
think i could

1363
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,000
uh all i wanted was relief

1364
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,800
all i could think of was please release

1365
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:46,960
me from whatever this is that i'm

1366
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,240
involved in i mean the the feeling of

1367
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,359
pressure

1368
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,839
and again i'm shaking now the feeling of

1369
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,800
pressure and no air in my lungs

1370
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,760
and i was extremely athletic and

1371
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,000
all i knew to do was ask for relief and

1372
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,240
why this came upon me i do not know i

1373
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,319
rolled that window down

1374
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,119
of that f-154 truck and we had these big

1375
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,280
western mirrors this big aluminum

1376
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,440
looking oh yeah inside of it

1377
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:16,079
and i have my maglite in my right hand

1378
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:16,960
and i

1379
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,480
grabbed the blue bubble on top of the

1380
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,280
vehicle our response blew lights and i

1381
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,200
pulled myself out on that window sill i

1382
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,760
was so i couldn't get out of the vehicle

1383
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,520
normally nothing would frighten me like

1384
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,079
that and i pulled myself out on that

1385
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,720
window sill

1386
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,720
and i flashed my flashlight at this

1387
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,480
thing just like i did back at the site

1388
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,040
that's all i knew to do

1389
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,040
i did that just click click click click

1390
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,280
click and i slid back down on the seat

1391
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,680
and all i was asking for relief

1392
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,640
is what's in my mind please stop

1393
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,240
please stop that's what i was that's

1394
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,240
what i was in my mind what i was saying

1395
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,599
to myself

1396
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,960
because i didn't know how much longer i

1397
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,880
could stay

1398
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,200
my with my wits about me or or stay

1399
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:03,520
awake i felt as if i was just going into

1400
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,319
a

1401
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,160
tunnel or something

1402
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,079
now i'm surprised that you know i know

1403
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,160
you have to go up you said you had to

1404
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,119
pull up at a 45 degree angle and all

1405
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,920
that but i'm surprised that

1406
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,720
you're the driver mike didn't like try

1407
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,280
to retreat

1408
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,480
he was as if he was frozen

1409
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,400
the last thing he said to me was

1410
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,359
whatever back at highway 79 when i said

1411
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,599
i think that's that object over there he

1412
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,760
said whatever

1413
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,480
last thing he said to me

1414
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,160
he didn't speak another time and there's

1415
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,880
still hours that we can discuss here but

1416
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,839
so

1417
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,319
i asked this thing to stop or for relief

1418
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:46,960
and i've sat back down in the seat

1419
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,309
i'll never forget it i roll my window up

1420
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,000
and it was as if tunnel vision just

1421
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,800
closed in on me and i just did my head

1422
00:51:00,870 --> 00:51:00,079
like this

1423
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,880
and i

1424
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,559
i sensed something

1425
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,800
and i turned to my right as if like slow

1426
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,160
motion

1427
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,640
and i'm i'm seeing something like as in

1428
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,839
a tunnel and i saw these

1429
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,359
four

1430
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,599
beings that were

1431
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,200
coming from

1432
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,599
the passenger side of this vehicle

1433
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:22,079
now i'm gonna put up the what you drew

1434
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,040
later

1435
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,520
okay and let me ask you how and there's

1436
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,280
three here but you said there were four

1437
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,640
yeah

1438
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:29,440
how

1439
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:33,839
draw these was this a recent drawing

1440
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,359
that was uh about a year ago

1441
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,760
so this is kind of what you recall yes

1442
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,000
they were sort of bluish

1443
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,160
yes

1444
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,480
and then the uh the tall one he had

1445
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,559
something he had a uniform on that had

1446
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:51,680
these really strange creases in it

1447
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,119
some type of black uniform

1448
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,760
so that this is what you saw

1449
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,280
with an additional

1450
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,559
being kind of walking toward the truck

1451
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,200
yeah i'd did some cruder drawings of

1452
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,800
of them that i

1453
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,319
that i did i did

1454
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,559
the little guys i did separate

1455
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,200
and then uh the taller one i had another

1456
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,200
picture of him and i put the three

1457
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,040
together like that but really in my

1458
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,240
hypnosis i saw four or i said i saw four

1459
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,839
for the best of my ability yes that's

1460
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,520
what i originally drew

1461
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,319
and this now these these here though

1462
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,240
did you which color were they these are

1463
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,240
sort of an orange color i just drew it

1464
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,200
in tan they were more of a bluish color

1465
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:34,800
that's all i had to draw with at the

1466
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,710
and so

1467
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,200
yeah keep keep going this is interesting

1468
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,000
so they started walking toward the truck

1469
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,440
they walked toward the truck and all i

1470
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,760
could hear in my mind was do not fear

1471
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,549
and that's the last thing that i

1472
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,920
remembered for

1473
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,200
a little bit

1474
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,119
and the next thing that came upon me i

1475
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,640
don't know how much time passed when i

1476
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,960
kept hearing do not fear do not fear and

1477
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,559
the do not fear

1478
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:06,240
i just want to make this

1479
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,280
clear

1480
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:10,000
was not like you and i talking

1481
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:10,800
this

1482
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:15,200
like

1483
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,119
to talk to me or something i don't know

1484
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,680
how that even makes sense but it was as

1485
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,559
if the thought or

1486
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,280
you know it was like talking underwater

1487
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,359
like somebody goes under the pool and

1488
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,599
tries to talk to you it was like that

1489
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,760
but it was clear as a bell

1490
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:36,640
and it was it was soft it wasn't harsh

1491
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,240
he just said do not fear do not fear

1492
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:46,069
i don't know how long it was but the the

1493
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:46,960
uh

1494
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:56,240
i'm on my back

1495
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,200
and i'm

1496
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,680
coming away from the vehicle

1497
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,720
is that

1498
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,280
does that make sense or is this um well

1499
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,880
that was that was a little bit later

1500
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,119
that okay all right sorry yeah that's

1501
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,559
okay um

1502
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,800
but i'm on my back and i'm looking and i

1503
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,960
see the door

1504
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,040
of the security police vehicle says u.s

1505
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,880
air force on the side of it in gold

1506
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,200
letters about an inch tall

1507
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,800
so the door was closed and i'm on my

1508
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,119
back but i'm going like i'm i'm about

1509
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,640
four feet off the ground and i'm on my

1510
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,240
back and i'm looking

1511
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,960
and then something placed it up i think

1512
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,720
when he's being put his hand

1513
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,960
on my right shoulder and kept telling me

1514
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,440
do not fear

1515
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,720
i don't know what happened to michael

1516
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,599
johnson i have no idea i don't know if

1517
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:41,280
anything happened to him over there with

1518
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,910
i i honestly i didn't you know when all

1519
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,920
this happened i really didn't know to

1520
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,760
whether

1521
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,079
um

1522
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,079
i couldn't to shoot at it

1523
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,000
to

1524
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,480
literally mess myself

1525
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,599
run

1526
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,520
hide i mean you feel like the you feel

1527
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,000
like the i'm not a hunter i don't hunt

1528
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,480
animals but um

1529
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,680
been trained not men man but uh

1530
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,920
i felt like the rabbit behind the only

1531
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,319
bush in the desert you know really in

1532
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,160
the desert and there was something after

1533
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,880
me and i couldn't do nothing about it

1534
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:23,280
so all right from that point i was on my

1535
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,240
back

1536
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,760
and something put touching me here and

1537
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,599
told me do not fear

1538
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,760
was that verbal or was that again a

1539
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:31,359
thought it was inside it's all inside

1540
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,680
yeah there's never any never any any

1541
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,359
things if you and i are talking any

1542
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:39,200
noises being made it was all inside my

1543
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,160
body

1544
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,079
of course i was speaking you know i

1545
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,000
spoke at times

1546
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,440
and later when we get into this but

1547
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,799
you know like i asked where michael

1548
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,400
johnson was

1549
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:52,720
where's michael where's michael and i

1550
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,109
but um

1551
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,630
i remember um

1552
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,440
this strange feeling that i had i was in

1553
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,440
some type of a gel

1554
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,079
of some of some kind

1555
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,200
and it was and it was real warm

1556
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
and i don't know if i was clothed

1557
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,480
they're not clothed

1558
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,160
that i remember i just felt like i was

1559
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,960
in like not tar but some kind of a some

1560
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,319
kind of a gel a jello i don't know

1561
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,960
from from head to foot and

1562
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,559
i don't know if i was submerged in it

1563
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,200
but i kept thinking to myself because

1564
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,040
you know

1565
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,920
these thoughts that you have and

1566
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,680
they're so hard to relay because you

1567
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,760
don't have words for it

1568
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,319
and um

1569
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,559
i just felt as i was as if i was within

1570
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:46,559
myself

1571
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:52,230
i remember

1572
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,190
and much more things came out i i've

1573
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,280
been hypnotized a couple times by a

1574
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,520
mufon uh

1575
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,880
hypnotist

1576
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,920
he certified everything and um

1577
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,520
some things came out there that i didn't

1578
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,359
know

1579
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:13,760
and um

1580
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,079
the next thing i remember

1581
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,480
after that after that gel feeling or

1582
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,520
whatever it was and pain in my wrist

1583
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,079
is all sudden i open my eyes

1584
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,119
and it's completely dark

1585
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,960
and uh

1586
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,720
i thought i looked and i looked at

1587
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:32,319
michael looked at michael johnson and

1588
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:36,319
he's still frozen to that steering wheel

1589
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,200
wow

1590
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,880
just literally he is frozen to that

1591
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,040
steering wheel he wouldn't say a word

1592
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,880
and i kept saying michael where are

1593
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,440
where what are we doing where are we now

1594
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,520
this was a sit four mind you this was a

1595
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,920
real serious

1596
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,079
alarm you know on a missile site on a

1597
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,799
minuteman two nuclear missile site this

1598
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,960
is a real serious alarm

1599
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,119
so it can't go unanswered you have to

1600
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,280
know what caused it you have to provide

1601
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,160
a reason you have to do a function

1602
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,400
as a security policeman on that facility

1603
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,359
it can't go undone

1604
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,359
so i looked to my right

1605
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,960
as because he wouldn't answer me and i

1606
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,559
was just kind of i didn't know what to

1607
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:16,000
do at that point

1608
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,119
and i looked at my right and there's

1609
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,920
this white wall

1610
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,640
sitting next to me and i thought

1611
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,599
where the hell am i

1612
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,920
and i i looked up and it went as far as

1613
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,240
i could see

1614
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,079
so i opened the door when i opened the

1615
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,920
door i had on bunny boots and bunny

1616
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,480
boots are for real cold extreme weather

1617
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,720
yeah we were in south dakota you inflate

1618
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,400
them you know right they're white and

1619
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,240
they're yeah they inflate yep these were

1620
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,960
dark blue oh oh and that's but i know

1621
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:47,440
the type yeah i stepped out and i was in

1622
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,799
mud

1623
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:51,119
now mind you the temperature was between

1624
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,559
nine and 12 degrees and they've been

1625
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,240
that way for

1626
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,920
quite you know quite some time and i

1627
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,000
looked that up i went back in sequence

1628
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,760
weather events to see

1629
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,520
you know how cold it actually was

1630
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,520
because i knew it was it was jet cold

1631
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,440
you know

1632
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,280
and i said i stepped out of the vehicle

1633
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,440
i still couldn't figure out where i was

1634
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,000
at this white wall and as i was thinking

1635
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,160
about that that radio cracked a life and

1636
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,640
it said wing security control november

1637
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,280
1. what's your location

1638
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,640
i looked at michael johnson i said

1639
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,160
you're going to get that

1640
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:23,760
because we weren't anywhere near

1641
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:30,829
and

1642
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,160
um he didn't answer

1643
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,119
so i kept trying to talk to him

1644
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,400
and um

1645
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,960
i picked the radio up and i said uh

1646
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,680
november 1 wsc i said it's sergeant

1647
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,440
woods i said

1648
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,000
uh he goes what's your location

1649
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,599
what's your 20 i said i don't i don't

1650
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:51,200
know sir i said i don't know where we

1651
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,079
are

1652
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,319
i said my team leader michael johnson's

1653
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,839
not talking i said i don't know what's

1654
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,440
wrong with him

1655
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,880
and um

1656
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,720
he said i want you to keep talking don't

1657
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,680
you do

1658
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,440
one-minute checks with me so we're

1659
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:05,440
trying to

1660
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,799
to find your location you know

1661
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,319
and i that was the weirdest statement i

1662
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,440
think i've ever heard in my life

1663
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,920
and i wore an old-time i wore timex

1664
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,440
watch back then it wasn't old it was

1665
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,520
just a timex watch back then

1666
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,920
and i looked down at my watch and it was

1667
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,079
working

1668
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,400
but it was after 6am

1669
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,640
and we arrived at missile site

1670
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,760
in about

1671
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,760
quarter till one eight about quarter to

1672
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,319
one one o'clock

1673
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,960
so we had we had five hours of missing

1674
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,589
couldn't account for anything

1675
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,680
only thing i remember is fluff you know

1676
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,240
flash that flashlight at that at that

1677
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,680
craft

1678
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,680
don't remember leaving but the size of

1679
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:54,240
this thing i got you got to know this i

1680
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,760
used a comparison on on unidentified

1681
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,680
where people could understand it because

1682
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,280
you know

1683
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,839
back then nobody really had a reference

1684
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,599
size aircraft carrier well not many

1685
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,520
people know about an aircraft carrier

1686
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,359
but

1687
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,520
that that that crap was the size of a

1688
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,440
super walmart center

1689
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:16,160
it was gargantuan and even when i just

1690
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,599
was on discovery plus on alien in-game

1691
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:21,040
um

1692
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,599
size of it which i didn't appreciate

1693
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,760
and uh none of these programs have ever

1694
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,839
told the entire

1695
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,240
incident as it happened

1696
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,000
so i appreciate what you're doing and

1697
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:35,920
allowing me to to speak freely about

1698
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,440
this yeah going back to this white wall

1699
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,160
i still had no idea where we were

1700
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:43,920
and man i just got to calm down here for

1701
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,349
so yeah let me i'll

1702
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,720
you take your time

1703
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,400
your you're

1704
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,480
did you actually have to step out of the

1705
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,240
truck to yeah

1706
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,000
yeah so the white wall and you looked up

1707
01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,599
and it yeah it's like

1708
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,400
as far north and south as i could see

1709
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,400
and that's exactly what it was north and

1710
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,799
south and i didn't know that until just

1711
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,760
last um september the second when

1712
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,240
when uh well i went back there

1713
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,760
i've never been back there since it

1714
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,799
happened

1715
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,280
i didn't know where i was at that time

1716
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,799
and um

1717
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,280
and i've never been there before so

1718
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:23,520
literally when i went back uh august

1719
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,799
31st with uh discovery plus was um

1720
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,200
uh to the sept to september 2nd as the

1721
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,359
first time i'd ever been there and the

1722
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,440
crazy part about that is while we were

1723
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:35,280
filming that

1724
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,280
this ormond road that i described was um

1725
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,160
you know

1726
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,480
you you talk in the middle of nowhere in

1727
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,200
newell south dakota the net going west

1728
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,440
is belfoo south dakota and wyoming so

1729
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,240
you know 30 miles away literally to the

1730
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,559
wyoming line or less

1731
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,559
and um

1732
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,079
there were a bunch of people watching

1733
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,240
this film well these two guys didn't

1734
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,839
know each other they knew each other but

1735
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,880
you know of course they didn't

1736
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,480
communicate all the time

1737
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,160
one was in a four-wheeler and one was in

1738
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,480
a side-by-side honda and they were you

1739
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,720
know land owners you know

1740
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,880
so as we we were kind of wrapping up

1741
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,400
what we were doing because it was real

1742
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:14,240
emotional for me

1743
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:18,160
um being there and seeing that and uh

1744
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,280
again

1745
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,359
and feeling that i mean literally i felt

1746
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,640
as if the thing was right there in the

1747
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,240
sky you know

1748
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,720
and um

1749
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:28,960
these two guys identified themselves you

1750
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,920
know age old ranchers there

1751
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,680
one his father

1752
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,319
was a state trooper at the time that

1753
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:39,200
this incident happened in 77

1754
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,319
and the other

1755
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,400
he was a deputy sheriff in sturgis

1756
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,520
sturgis is just like 29 miles south of

1757
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:48,720
newell i only mean it's 25 29 miles

1758
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,599
maybe 20 miles i guess i don't know

1759
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:54,880
and he and two other teams

1760
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,400
sheriff's deputies were were sent you

1761
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,280
know this guy's my age i'm 66

1762
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,230
it might be older than i am

1763
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,640
i was 27 at the time 26 of the time this

1764
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,559
this happened to me

1765
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,200
and uh

1766
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,720
they were sent

1767
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,960
to by um

1768
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,559
based security when security control

1769
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,240
requested their presence to come look

1770
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,799
for their arm response team us

1771
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:24,880
i never do that beforehand i didn't know

1772
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,240
that three additional backup alert teams

1773
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,480
our guys were looking for us

1774
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,359
so that's five four or five there

1775
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,680
and then the other fella his father was

1776
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,200
a state trooper

1777
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,520
and his is he remembered it very well

1778
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,599
because his father he was called you

1779
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,880
know at

1780
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,039
three o'clock in the morning to come out

1781
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,960
i guess they did you know they were

1782
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:48,480
called as needed and not just on the

1783
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:51,599
road all night back then in 77

1784
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,280
and uh he he remembers his dad saying

1785
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,280
to wing security control whoever the

1786
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,200
officer was that called him

1787
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,119
you remember his dad saying well why am

1788
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:02,960
i why are you asking me to go look for

1789
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,920
them for them because they're they're

1790
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,720
they're equipped way better than i am

1791
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,400
which made sense which we were we were

1792
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,000
heavily armed

1793
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:14,720
and um so his father participated in

1794
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:15,440
that

1795
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,440
chief an assistant flight chief so

1796
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:21,599
really there were about seven patrols

1797
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,319
two-man teams looking for us local law

1798
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:26,000
enforcement and security police

1799
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,280
personnel

1800
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,880
in the air force

1801
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,640
and um

1802
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,559
i think it was a sergeant garza that got

1803
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,839
to us

1804
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,440
you know they

1805
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:37,440
it i've just kept doing them radio

1806
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,799
checks and trying to talk to michael

1807
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,319
johnson

1808
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,000
can i just interrupt and ask you a

1809
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,079
question yep so when you're seeing this

1810
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,000
white wall are you still seeing that

1811
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,400
object as well no no no it's gone we're

1812
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,319
no it's gone yeah i woke up as to

1813
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,680
remember it was totally oh yeah yeah it

1814
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,599
was black that's right i'm sorry not at

1815
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:56,720
the mobile side anymore

1816
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,880
pardon me for that yeah okay

1817
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:00,559
we never drove

1818
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,000
we didn't arrive there

1819
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,799
and it's really strange but

1820
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:08,079
that

1821
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:13,680
wasn't even a road as a trail

1822
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,559
that was the new lake reservoir dam that

1823
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,440
we were behind ah

1824
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:21,760
yes sir and where those wheels of that

1825
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,640
truck were sitting we were in mud

1826
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:26,720
and looking north and south the north

1827
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,359
end of that dam there's a spillover

1828
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,680
and that fed i guess at times when it

1829
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,760
really a lot of rain you know the whole

1830
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:35,359
thing went you know started spilling

1831
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,160
over

1832
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,160
there was a lake down below us which had

1833
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,799
been on michael johnson's side

1834
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,280
and it was about 50 60 feet down where

1835
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,280
we were sitting well these are just two

1836
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:47,760
wheel drive vehicles that we had

1837
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,640
um

1838
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,359
our f-150s

1839
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,720
but if he'd have stepped out of that

1840
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,640
driver's side door and walked four foot

1841
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,039
he'd gone straight down

1842
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,440
you know a really steep embankment into

1843
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,160
a lake that was down there now over

1844
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,880
that's a spillage flow over or overflow

1845
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,240
for the dam

1846
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:08,559
i'd never been back there before i i've

1847
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,000
never seen that down before i didn't

1848
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,839
know it was there

1849
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:14,400
and uh and it's well is well back off

1850
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,079
the highway of highway 79 and it's about

1851
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:19,920
i guess about

1852
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,280
nine and a half miles from november five

1853
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,799
and about

1854
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,480
uh

1855
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,440
seven miles six miles seven miles from

1856
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:31,200
november one

1857
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,000
so

1858
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,079
that triangulation looking at the

1859
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,880
triangulation of those points on a map

1860
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,200
where november one is where november

1861
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,200
five is and then where

1862
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,280
where new lake reservoir is it forms

1863
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:46,160
this pythagorean triangle

1864
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:47,599
and

1865
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,319
it encompasses 20.9 miles but we never

1866
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,799
drove to this dam

1867
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,880
and as i say in the only way

1868
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:56,160
that you could we could have got in

1869
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,520
there and got out to start with would

1870
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,760
have been the back down in there

1871
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,280
at whatever time in the morning that

1872
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,880
could have been

1873
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,640
um because there's nowhere to turn

1874
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,559
around where the wheel sats all you

1875
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,720
could do was go in there one way and one

1876
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,240
way out you couldn't turn a vehicle

1877
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,680
around

1878
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:12,960
and um

1879
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,599
there's a tree that exists just up past

1880
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,640
the dam on the south side and it's on a

1881
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,799
bend and that i remembered that tree

1882
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,719
when we just went back out there

1883
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:24,880
it's still there a big great big tree

1884
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,040
doesn't have any branches on it

1885
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,880
remind me of an old hangman tree that

1886
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,279
you'd see out west or something but it's

1887
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,319
still there and um

1888
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,080
i remember seeing where the sun came up

1889
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,159
and i went what time is it and it was

1890
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:40,799
after 6 00 6 a.m

1891
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:46,070
sergeant garza got to us and he and i

1892
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,799
said i jumped out of the vehicle

1893
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,560
and i said hey sergeant guards i said he

1894
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,719
goes mario i said he said i said i'm

1895
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,319
having trouble with michael johnson he's

1896
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,000
not he won't talk or anything he's just

1897
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,159
frozen to the steering wheel

1898
01:09:01,430 --> 01:09:00,480
and wow so that was a long time he was

1899
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,440
frozen

1900
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:04,000
yeah i mean he was just he was just like

1901
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,839
this his hands were just clenched on

1902
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:06,960
that blue

1903
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:09,759
plastic steering wheel wow just clinched

1904
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,510
anyway he um

1905
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,279
he said mario he says

1906
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,199
i can't talk i said what the hell i said

1907
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,040
what's going on he says i can't talk to

1908
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,880
you about it he goes we're here to take

1909
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,640
you back november 1.

1910
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,400
and i said well michael johnson's not

1911
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:28,080
driving i said i mean i need some help

1912
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,359
because i got to get him to the

1913
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,279
passenger side of this vehicle and of

1914
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,679
course you know i said i said he's like

1915
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:35,279
he's like

1916
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:37,679
frozen i don't know what else to say

1917
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,400
catatonic sort of catatonic yeah he just

1918
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:42,000
he couldn't do nothing

1919
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,359
he was blinking his eyes and he was

1920
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,960
breathing that's all i cared about as

1921
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,960
long as you used that you know we take

1922
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,960
care of him but um

1923
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,960
so i unbelted him we just had you know

1924
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,480
we didn't we just had seat belts we went

1925
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,679
around the waist we didn't have shoulder

1926
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,000
belts at that time and i slid him over

1927
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,320
and put him in that seatbelt and uh i

1928
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,080
kept talking to him so

1929
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,440
you know they were like three teams

1930
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,880
there now so they because they

1931
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,719
triangulated our position and then we

1932
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,920
all backed out of there and we went

1933
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,159
november one well when i got there the

1934
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,760
flight chief and assistant flight chief

1935
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,880
were there

1936
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,159
and um

1937
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,840
and of course these people they the

1938
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,760
other our teams they respond you know

1939
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,840
they escorted us there

1940
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,360
and they went back to where they were

1941
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,960
going to and we had our backup alert

1942
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,960
team which became active now because it

1943
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,800
was after 6 a.m

1944
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:26,400
you know and they kept saying mario what

1945
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,000
happened and i couldn't answer the

1946
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,600
questions you know so

1947
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,280
michael johnson we got him out of the

1948
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,080
vehicle they did i didn't i went in

1949
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,840
they seated me in the day room and they

1950
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,760
took michael johnson in the back room

1951
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,600
and in our

1952
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,840
one in our bedroom where where you know

1953
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,679
we had bunk beds at the time they took

1954
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:45,040
him back there to talk to him and lay

1955
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,480
him down i guess

1956
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,920
that was the flight assistant flight

1957
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,120
chief and the flight chief started

1958
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,960
asking me questions

1959
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,480
and i couldn't really give him answers

1960
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,120
other than what i saw and what happened

1961
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,120
to the best of my knowledge

1962
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,880
and he says we got to go to we have to

1963
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,640
go to ellsworth we you know we got to

1964
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,080
debrief you we got to see what's going

1965
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:03,760
on with this you know and i said yes

1966
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,640
right

1967
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,880
you know i was just a young troop so

1968
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,159
i got to be careful i don't want to put

1969
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,960
himself in afib again but um

1970
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,560
i swear the first time i got hypnotized

1971
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:15,920
that's when i first went to asia but um

1972
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,880
i'm not in it now but uh

1973
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,640
anyhow um

1974
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:23,520
i just i wanted to be alone for a minute

1975
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,679
and uh you know i i i said i got to go

1976
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,520
to the restroom so i went to the

1977
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,880
restroom and

1978
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,760
and uh you know it's a normal two-stall

1979
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,679
kind of thing you know and showers and

1980
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,520
everything in there

1981
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,600
of course and um so i just went and i

1982
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:42,159
sat in a stall and i you know i just sat

1983
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,679
there and was in the uniform i just kind

1984
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,120
of sat there just

1985
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:47,360
getting my thoughts together

1986
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,159
and

1987
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,080
the strangest feeling came over me i

1988
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,040
felt as if i was leaving my body

1989
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,880
wouldn't say just felt as if i was going

1990
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:57,280
i was i was going out through my feet

1991
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,679
how that could be i don't know

1992
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,480
but

1993
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,800
i was like this is the weirdest i

1994
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:05,360
thought just like i thought am i dying

1995
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,560
that's that's one thing i said to myself

1996
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,159
and i don't know how long i was in that

1997
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,840
state or how long i was really in there

1998
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:13,040
but

1999
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,239
what kind of

2000
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:16,960
what took me out of it was

2001
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:20,159
i see these shiny cochrane

2002
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:21,920
law enforcement boots walking by the

2003
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,320
stall door

2004
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,400
and to the left of those shiny boots was

2005
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,719
four fur legs and that was a german

2006
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,120
shepherd drug dog

2007
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,880
so they were out there to inspect make

2008
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,080
sure there was no drugs or anything like

2009
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,400
that involved which that's that's

2010
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:38,000
standard you know

2011
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,199
but

2012
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,520
you know and he asked me says uh he said

2013
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,080
mario you okay he knew me and i said man

2014
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,080
i don't know what i am right now i said

2015
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:48,239
i feel really strange

2016
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:49,280
and uh

2017
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,640
he said well they want to talk to you

2018
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,239
man he says everybody wants to talk to

2019
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,320
you i said well is michael johnson

2020
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:56,400
saying things he won't say anything

2021
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,199
wow

2022
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,280
and i remember i can't remember his name

2023
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:01,360
but i can see his face might have been

2024
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,880
uh steve guy but um so i was in there

2025
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,640
about 20 minutes and i washed my face

2026
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,320
and my hands and just splashed water i

2027
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,080
made a mess of everything i didn't care

2028
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,840
at that particular point

2029
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,440
and then uh went back out in the day

2030
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,520
room and uh

2031
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,120
sergeant greg and matt sergeant grace

2032
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,120
that um we're gonna have to go back to

2033
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,880
ellsworth you're gonna arrive at me said

2034
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:23,440
michael's gonna arrive with the

2035
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,239
assistant fly chief sergeant hawkins so

2036
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,000
we um

2037
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:29,760
got our diddy bags and all that stuff

2038
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,480
and

2039
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:32,159
you know our that's what we call them

2040
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,679
diddy bags that you carried all your

2041
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,480
stuff in and everything and

2042
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,840
got in the vehicle and took us to

2043
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,360
ellsworth and i guess we got there at

2044
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,920
about 10 30 in the morning

2045
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,520
and i don't know where they took michael

2046
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,960
johnson but he took me straight to

2047
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,560
commander's office as a colonel's

2048
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:48,239
breaker

2049
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,750
it was four or five people in there and

2050
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,880
there was a

2051
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,520
a young osi guy

2052
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,520
who uh who's

2053
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,600
been involved in several things and on

2054
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:03,120
some of these channels called richard

2055
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,159
dodie

2056
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,080
he was a young guy at the town and i

2057
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,760
outranked him and he was there as a

2058
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,520
witness but he had a supervisor he

2059
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,120
reported to and then there was another

2060
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,199
man there in civilian clothing

2061
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,199
and he was in a suit

2062
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,880
excuse me did you did you just say that

2063
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:18,560
richard doughty was there

2064
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:19,440
yeah

2065
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:23,679
my goodness okay

2066
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,360
he was stationed there he was a young

2067
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,440
osi guy i don't know if he'd been in

2068
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,520
security police or law enforcer le

2069
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,880
before but uh

2070
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,880
he somehow got cross-trained over in the

2071
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,560
osi and which is good you know it's it's

2072
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,800
office of special investigation so it's

2073
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,640
kind of like being the detective you

2074
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,040
know that kind of thing but we all had

2075
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,600
had those um investigative rights and

2076
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,440
and uh training so

2077
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,040
it just takes it a step further but he

2078
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,960
was there he had like i said he had a

2079
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,640
person he reported to

2080
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,360
and then there was a man that was in um

2081
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,679
in a suit you know he had i think he was

2082
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,120
a civilian he might have may have been a

2083
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,560
government guy i was not introduced to

2084
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:02,000
him and he didn't say anything he just

2085
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,040
listened

2086
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:04,640
and of course colonel sprecker was there

2087
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,709
i think somebody wins security control

2088
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,199
was there as well and um

2089
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,280
like a high-ranking individual and of

2090
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,760
course they asked me everything you know

2091
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,440
what what i saw

2092
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,840
what i did what i didn't do you know for

2093
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,840
one we did not strike the site which was

2094
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:25,360
the procedure that was supposed to be

2095
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,159
done

2096
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,080
what does that mean exactly that means

2097
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,159
perform the security function

2098
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,000
on the facility you know what what

2099
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,239
caused the alarm you know i see anything

2100
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:36,000
there was there

2101
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,280
anything

2102
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:39,760
so um someone else did that later i

2103
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,189
at a later time you know that night one

2104
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,880
of the backup alert teams went to

2105
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,800
november five we weren't there because i

2106
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:49,920
didn't know that all these people were

2107
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,360
looking for us to start with and um but

2108
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,199
the site had to be addressed regardless

2109
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,719
the mission had to be done no matter

2110
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,480
what somebody had to go to that missile

2111
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,000
site of course there was nothing there

2112
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,400
as far as i knew i never heard but i

2113
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,520
didn't know all these people were

2114
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,199
looking for so i'm just in this from

2115
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,520
civilian side of law enforcement

2116
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,679
and of course um

2117
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,239
i i literally got grilled for the next

2118
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,320
four hours and everything that i saw on

2119
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,960
trying to describe it and i got you know

2120
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,960
even got laughed at one time which i i

2121
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,760
didn't appreciate and that was a

2122
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,000
one of these guys that were just i guess

2123
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,679
out of wing security control so yeah

2124
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,880
like right but

2125
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,800
there's been many more incidents similar

2126
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,880
to that

2127
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,520
in the missile field but um

2128
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,280
anyway they were taking it serious and

2129
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,679
of course i had to write a report on i

2130
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,679
don't know i don't know the name of the

2131
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,600
number of the report

2132
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,960
but um

2133
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:45,440
and it was it was three pages i mean it

2134
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,360
was one of those carbon copy things you

2135
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,880
know like three page

2136
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,159
you do the original page and it

2137
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,800
transfers down to two additional pages

2138
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,120
and it was three pages of that that i

2139
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,440
wrote because i i had everything in my

2140
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,640
memory

2141
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,080
and i even wrote in i wrote it i wrote

2142
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,719
do not fear what which is what i heard

2143
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:06,320
i wrote the description of what i

2144
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,960
thought i saw or what i saw to me

2145
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:11,600
and what i felt and where we ended up

2146
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,560
and what we did or we didn't do i wrote

2147
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,520
everything in there and um so from when

2148
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,920
that was all said and done then um

2149
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,280
colonel speaker said we're going to send

2150
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,800
you over to the flight surgeon they want

2151
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:24,800
to take a look at you

2152
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:27,360
and so richard doty went there too with

2153
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:28,159
his

2154
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,679
and then there was a nurse and then

2155
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,400
there was his doctor um

2156
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,080
there were five or six five or six

2157
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,840
people that came over there while i was

2158
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:43,600
just being looked at you know it wasn't

2159
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,679
anything personal at that particular

2160
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:46,800
time

2161
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,350
as of course i had to take off my i had

2162
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,520
to take off my outer outer garment you

2163
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:55,920
know my outer fatigue jacket

2164
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:56,880
uh

2165
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,760
you know uniform so i was in my t-shirt

2166
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,800
and

2167
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:02,719
surgeon he kept lifting up my head like

2168
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,199
this he did ears eyes nose throat you

2169
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,600
know looked at me you know asked me to

2170
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:10,320
cough check my heartbeat pushed on my

2171
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,320
internals a little bit and check me you

2172
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,590
and um

2173
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,280
he goes let me ask you something he said

2174
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,040
uh

2175
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,199
he goes you know you got burns on you

2176
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,280
right and i said what he goes you're you

2177
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,679
know like a sunburn i said

2178
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:29,440
i didn't even think about that but i did

2179
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,920
this this is the right side of my head i

2180
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:33,360
went wow

2181
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,679
you know i'm from florida and i know

2182
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,440
what a sunburn is and living in south

2183
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,080
dakota you lose that ability to fight

2184
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,840
off the sun so

2185
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:43,440
you know it don't take long you're

2186
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,080
creamy white you know yeah yeah i can't

2187
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,080
i mean i don't know how to say it but

2188
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,920
uh but even though it gets blast and hot

2189
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,760
there it's not the same but

2190
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,280
anyway so

2191
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,880
i was burned here on the right side of

2192
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,360
my face i don't know for the extent of

2193
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:59,120
it but he took a skin sample from right

2194
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,320
up here

2195
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:02,000
and then i was burned on the back of my

2196
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:03,440
hand and this was the hand that was

2197
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,159
exposed that i had my flashlight in

2198
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,320
my neck light it was a big old d cell

2199
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,000
three cell

2200
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,679
three

2201
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,600
cell d cell

2202
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,520
mag light weighed about 40 pounds it

2203
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:18,239
seen we used them as batons if we had to

2204
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,600
you know but

2205
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,360
um so he took a scan sample off the back

2206
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:22,960
of my hand too

2207
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,560
asked me several questions you know

2208
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,239
could i taste

2209
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,400
that kind of thing he swabbed my mouth

2210
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,760
um

2211
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,600
you know i don't know what else they

2212
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,760
eat they kept the skin samples and they

2213
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,120
i don't know if they kept the swab or

2214
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,360
whatever i'm sure they probably did they

2215
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:39,600
checked you for radiation too

2216
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,640
that's what he was checking he was

2217
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,560
checking me for radiation

2218
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,159
that's what he said and we didn't have

2219
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:46,800
tlds or anything that any dosimeters or

2220
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,640
anything like that back then because we

2221
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,760
weren't you know everything was

2222
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,080
protected underground so

2223
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,159
well we didn't have any direct uh

2224
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,080
contact you know

2225
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:58,239
unless you went down into the sea plug

2226
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:59,840
you would you could reach up and touch

2227
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,640
it or

2228
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,920
you know you wanted to write something

2229
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,199
on the side of these missiles but i

2230
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,960
never did you know that wasn't a big

2231
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,239
offense

2232
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,400
um but anyway um

2233
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,280
so i was there for another

2234
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,840
wait maybe do something outside

2235
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:16,239
with my back or something i don't know

2236
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,159
anyway i was there for about two and a

2237
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,600
half hours

2238
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,280
and um

2239
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,960
they talked amongst themselves and

2240
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,120
finally i was able to i was able to be

2241
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,040
released from him and he went back to

2242
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:29,040
the seta building which was our main

2243
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,199
organizational building where colonel

2244
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:33,440
breaker and the base commander and the

2245
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,400
wing security control uh commander or

2246
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,080
officer in charge were

2247
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,760
and they asked me several more questions

2248
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:41,040
you know and asked me about michael

2249
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:41,920
johnson

2250
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,960
how well did i know him

2251
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,880
and which was not very well at all so

2252
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,800
you know he was evident he was working

2253
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:51,199
vacation belief you know because my

2254
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,400
normal guy

2255
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,639
who was my member went on vacation to

2256
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,280
get married and um

2257
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,280
so that's all that's

2258
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,280
all i worked with him was that one night

2259
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,280
and i didn't see him again we were

2260
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,199
separated from that point

2261
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,960
and uh i didn't know i never went back

2262
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,360
to november control again they sent me

2263
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,800
to

2264
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,800
let me back up a minute

2265
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,639
so normally i'd be out there for three

2266
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,560
days on and four days off so they didn't

2267
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,800
send me back out there that day so i got

2268
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,520
like a week and a half off you know

2269
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:23,360
which my wife at the time didn't

2270
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,870
i i couldn't tell her

2271
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:30,800
but she saw that i was sunburned she had

2272
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:31,920
questions where'd you would you get

2273
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,800
sunburned like that you know

2274
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:37,120
and i honestly i couldn't tell her you

2275
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,639
know

2276
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,040
it bothered me a great deal

2277
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,520
but uh i had to i just had to because i

2278
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,120
signed that non-disclosure and that

2279
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,360
meant everything you you know you start

2280
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,280
talking and they know it there they find

2281
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,199
out because they will actually

2282
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:52,320
they will

2283
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,080
somebody i'm serious well what about now

2284
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,239
you talking about it yeah well i don't

2285
01:22:01,189 --> 01:22:00,000
have a clearance any longer and i don't

2286
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,199
have a

2287
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:04,320
a usdoe q clearance any longer as i left

2288
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,639
uh doe in 19 or yeah 1996. yeah i don't

2289
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,719
know how that works but you know i mean

2290
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,239
is there a certain amount of time that

2291
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,719
you're able to speak about this freely

2292
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,400
or

2293
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,320
not really just as long as i'm not in a

2294
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,400
i'm not in a um

2295
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:22,400
in a career field now that requires a

2296
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,080
clearance or anything anything of that

2297
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,520
nature to

2298
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,120
for this subject matter and i think it's

2299
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,120
out i think it's out now back then they

2300
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,840
didn't want you talking about it

2301
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:33,600
and they held you to that

2302
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,480
so as i said they separated us and they

2303
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:38,639
sent me to kilo control which was the

2304
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,760
command center or the command

2305
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,520
area for

2306
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,400
the 68th area which would comprise the

2307
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,400
five sites

2308
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,239
and and that's what the flight chief and

2309
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,560
assistant flight chief also stayed

2310
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:54,320
during the three days out and four days

2311
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,360
off

2312
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:57,760
so i did that in about eight months

2313
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,159
later is when i got an assignment osan

2314
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,600
air base korea

2315
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,400
and i went to the i went to my commander

2316
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,760
and begged him i said you know i'm a

2317
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,320
newlywed i said you know i've been

2318
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,480
working missiles i've said i've been you

2319
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,199
know

2320
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,120
an outstanding

2321
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,880
security policeman and got letters you

2322
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,560
know and standboard evaluations of

2323
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,880
outstanding work and everything and i

2324
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,800
asked him i said you know can i get

2325
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,360
something else where my wife can go

2326
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,280
and they would they just you're going

2327
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:27,520
remote for a year and that's what it

2328
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,639
ended up doing actually it ended up

2329
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,120
being 14 months and of course it cost my

2330
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:32,960
marriage too but you know that's the way

2331
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:39,910
no matter what i did you know i was uh

2332
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,239
from that point forward you know

2333
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:44,320
you know we everything was scrutinized

2334
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,810
and you always were

2335
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:47,199
[Music]

2336
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,040
ask questions about it and um

2337
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,360
another thing too a weapon was never

2338
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,760
taken these other these other for some

2339
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,560
reason these other uh

2340
01:24:01,910 --> 01:24:00,320
unidentified

2341
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,920
we were relieved of our weapons that

2342
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,199
never happened

2343
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,960
and i can't believe they come up they

2344
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,800
just made they just said that and that

2345
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,560
really tore me off and they know it too

2346
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,600
and that's lou alizondo on those guys

2347
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,040
but um

2348
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,199
sure that wasn't like on the

2349
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,520
in the editing room someone

2350
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,600
i don't know i mean i have no idea but

2351
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:20,560
it

2352
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,520
went another i guess i don't know but

2353
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,280
i'm not i'm not complaining i just don't

2354
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,120
like falsehoods you know it's hard

2355
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,520
enough to tell

2356
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:31,199
many many people that something like

2357
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,880
this happened because i have no question

2358
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,120
in my mind there is life elsewhere on

2359
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,280
this in this in this universe and

2360
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:38,960
there's a lot more than one of them and

2361
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,199
they are highly highly intelligent we

2362
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,159
can't even we don't even have a clue so

2363
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,080
did they talk did you did you talk about

2364
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:49,040
the beings when you were being debriefed

2365
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,920
yes

2366
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,320
and and what how was that

2367
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,480
how was that handled

2368
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,960
uh some scoffs and some hands over the

2369
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,960
head like that and that kind and that

2370
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,360
kind of thing i just told the truth

2371
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,120
i had nothing to hide

2372
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,960
yeah

2373
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,040
even when i you know this is another

2374
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:09,840
thing too i i want to tell you

2375
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,040
how this follows you

2376
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,280
after the air force

2377
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,520
i uh i literally when i got out of the

2378
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,040
air force i had a

2379
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,360
an ex-commander that um

2380
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,960
he went to work for department of energy

2381
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,400
and i started at general electric

2382
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,960
neutron devices in usdoe and largo

2383
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,159
florida

2384
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,400
with there we made an rtg it was a

2385
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,400
triggering device for a nuclear weapon

2386
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,920
every there's 13 bomb building

2387
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,440
facilities in the country this is not

2388
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,199
classified information this is you can

2389
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:38,960
find this out anywhere

2390
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,080
so we we made the rtg radioisotopic

2391
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,679
thermal nuclear

2392
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:45,520
generator it's about

2393
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,320
it's about 12 13 inches long about two

2394
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,400
and a half three inches in diameter

2395
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,560
and it's about 115 degrees if you pick

2396
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,000
it up and hold it it'll stay like that

2397
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,480
for ten thousand years it's a battery

2398
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,960
and it's it's the ignition thing in a

2399
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,719
nuclear weapon between two hemi shells

2400
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,239
but anyway and that's not classified

2401
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,719
either i got a complete drawing of a

2402
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:05,920
weapon here but

2403
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,070
when i when i obtained my clearance

2404
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,679
you know i was with guys that were ex

2405
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:16,239
police officers them some delta force

2406
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,120
people

2407
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,360
rangers

2408
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,560
all kinds of people would you know

2409
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,560
highly qualified individuals with really

2410
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:26,880
good clearances really good backgrounds

2411
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,600
i mean literally before 1983 you could

2412
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,239
drive your personal own vehicle up to

2413
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:34,159
any nuclear

2414
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,000
national security complex literally

2415
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,760
and walk through a door and it'd be

2416
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,440
there'd be weapons-grade material on the

2417
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,840
table and you could access it

2418
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,760
it was just that bad security on these

2419
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:47,760
facilities was terrible

2420
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,239
it was like the old keystone police

2421
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,320
keystone cops you know i've seen

2422
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,080
response vehicles with three-wheel

2423
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,480
bicycles with one guy pushing and one

2424
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,239
guy pedaling

2425
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,199
yeah yeah in 1983 it's all changed now

2426
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,560
of course but

2427
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,560
anyway so getting back to clearance so

2428
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,719
when you when you apply for acute

2429
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,719
clearance you literally you're going

2430
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,280
back to about third or fourth grade of

2431
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,800
your life

2432
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,199
and up to date and i mean everything i

2433
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,880
mean i've got i wish i should have

2434
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:19,040
pulled that out for you my cue clearance

2435
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,159
is about

2436
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,080
two inches thick

2437
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,080
and that's just investigative material

2438
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:26,560
that runs behind you wherever you go

2439
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,440
you know

2440
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:29,520
everybody that's got acute clearance uh

2441
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,719
it has the same thing and um

2442
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,639
anyway

2443
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:38,239
with my back i've never been arrested

2444
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,679
never been in trouble never done

2445
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,520
anything wrong that you know where

2446
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,880
there'd be any kind of charges or

2447
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,880
anything like that i just this is not in

2448
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,440
me but um

2449
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:49,440
my acute clearance because of that

2450
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:52,639
incident in 1977

2451
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,679
took eight months for me to obtain and

2452
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,280
in that eight months

2453
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,239
i was called into doing offices three

2454
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,880
times and questioned about

2455
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,719
is there anything else that i wanted to

2456
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,800
disclose that happened back in my

2457
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,400
military time

2458
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,880
and of course if i'd talked about it and

2459
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,400
i knew this and these people were from

2460
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,280
oak ridge and in washington dc that

2461
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:16,880
interviewed me

2462
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,600
if i'd have spoken about that

2463
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,440
i don't think i'd ever been i would have

2464
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,280
never been cleared and my family

2465
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:26,480
depended on me you know

2466
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:28,000
maybe that's why they asked you three

2467
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,600
times to see if you talk about it maybe

2468
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,120
they knew about it in time and then

2469
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,440
every five years that you were there

2470
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,120
you know they redo your clearance and

2471
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,760
they can do just a sporadic clearance

2472
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:39,679
that just they'll just tell you where

2473
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,760
you know you're being

2474
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:43,360
you're being processed for another q

2475
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,400
clearance or

2476
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,639
it's going to be redone on you yeah so

2477
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:48,480
all my buddies that i just described

2478
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:49,440
that

2479
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:53,199
the military some didn't

2480
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,639
you know they'd get their clearances in

2481
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,639
three four months you know and of course

2482
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,880
i did have like 51 addresses from all

2483
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,440
the places that i live you know from my

2484
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:03,679
father being a merchant seaman and you

2485
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:06,159
know we go from city to city as he was a

2486
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:08,080
sign you know with texaco

2487
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,840
and

2488
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,520
um but um

2489
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,600
it was it was really uh

2490
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,440
and it was really only one or two people

2491
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,600
that generally neutron devices before i

2492
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,000
went to oak ridge at the y12 plant that

2493
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,840
even knew this incident happened to me

2494
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,360
that's how close to heart you have to

2495
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,440
keep this especially back during that

2496
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:27,280
time

2497
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:30,159
so it's it's been an ongoing

2498
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,280
it's really been an ongoing uh

2499
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,440
topic for me you know and and then to be

2500
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:37,600
able to finally speak about it

2501
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,480
and openly and and

2502
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,400
and feel what i feel and especially to

2503
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:45,040
go back there and see it again it just

2504
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:47,120
i can't tell you how

2505
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,719
it just uh

2506
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,280
it really kind of it got to me yeah i

2507
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:53,360
saw it i saw it when i

2508
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,760
watched that many people saw that but i

2509
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,360
couldn't help myself and you know it

2510
01:30:02,870 --> 01:29:59,760
wasn't all that i mean they just edited

2511
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,880
out so much that i was like okay

2512
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:04,960
so you took three days and it's at eight

2513
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,239
minutes i'm not i'm not a camera feeding

2514
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,400
and i don't expect anything i'm not i'm

2515
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,960
not looking at a motion picture

2516
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,360
nothing like that i'm a working guy

2517
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,760
and i love to go to the range i shoot a

2518
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:19,520
race radio control race car that's my

2519
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,480
hobby

2520
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,239
and um

2521
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,159
you know i'm just easy going and i ride

2522
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,639
my motorcycle i just enjoy life you know

2523
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,239
and um

2524
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,239
it just blows my mind now you know the

2525
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:32,000
secrecy that that

2526
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,199
has to uh go along with these instances

2527
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:36,960
and there there are many more that

2528
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,960
people just can't speak about them you

2529
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:40,880
know so let's talk a little bit more

2530
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:42,080
about

2531
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:43,120
um

2532
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,480
distance

2533
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,080
what do you say do you know what the

2534
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,360
distance is that you actually ended up

2535
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:52,320
from where you last remember

2536
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,760
oh yeah uh from november that

2537
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:58,159
where that little uh where that newell

2538
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:59,520
is located

2539
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,800
we were just a

2540
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:03,280
couple of my like two miles away from

2541
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,400
newell

2542
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,910
maps like that and it goes from november

2543
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,840
5 but i couldn't get november 5 on a map

2544
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:13,440
to plot to

2545
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,199
new lake reservoir so uh november 1 to

2546
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:19,840
november 5 was about seven and a half

2547
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,920
miles eight miles

2548
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,760
and then over to newell lake i think it

2549
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,080
all totaled 20.9 miles i believe

2550
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,400
something like that but it was like nine

2551
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:32,080
nine and a half 9.8 miles from

2552
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,360
newell from november 5 missile site

2553
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,360
over to newell lake and i've never been

2554
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,360
there before so that's and the only

2555
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,199
reason we i want to go back to that

2556
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:43,600
point those two gentlemen

2557
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,920
that came up in a and identified

2558
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,080
themselves that were one next police

2559
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,400
officer and once his and his dad was a

2560
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,480
trooper

2561
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:54,880
when we and i was with the richard

2562
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:57,280
emberling he was my host

2563
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:59,520
and they started talking about you know

2564
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,600
i said i don't know where this place is

2565
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,840
where this damn or whatever he's is you

2566
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,520
know and he goes that's new lake

2567
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:07,920
reservoir he goes go back up to highway

2568
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:10,239
79 and take a left and go all the way up

2569
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,000
the highway i would have never even gone

2570
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,080
i didn't know where it was

2571
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,840
i'd never i would have never done that

2572
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,199
it would have been over that day after

2573
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,960
we left november 5 because i don't even

2574
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:21,199
know where that that point

2575
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:23,199
on the map was i didn't know it was a

2576
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,520
new lake reservoir or dam

2577
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,360
so follow their directions and went

2578
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,360
right to went right to it and it was

2579
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,120
well back off the beaten path off the

2580
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,320
highway almost up near castle rock which

2581
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:36,480
is down just up

2582
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:38,880
just up uh highway 79

2583
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,990
interesting

2584
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:45,600
and so

2585
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:48,639
wild and there was okay so this

2586
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,199
you're you're missing like five hours

2587
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:53,679
about yeah and

2588
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:56,719
and you you end up at this damn you have

2589
01:33:03,110 --> 01:32:59,360
no idea why or no one else probably has

2590
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:03,120
any idea why or how how we got there

2591
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:04,159
yeah

2592
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,880
and

2593
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,639
there were no tire tracks behind us

2594
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:08,719
beside us or anything else we really

2595
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:11,760
here and where we were we were in mud

2596
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,600
so i don't know if the snow melted but

2597
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:16,080
at nine degrees it don't melt very much

2598
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:17,840
and it had been that way for a couple of

2599
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,520
you know for three or four days so the

2600
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:21,679
ground was pretty well frozen everywhere

2601
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,120
else that we had been

2602
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,719
that's all like that's what i can attest

2603
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:26,400
to but when i stepped out in those money

2604
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:28,000
boots i stepped in mud

2605
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,600
now maybe the bottom of that dam was

2606
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:31,440
leaking because if you looked at it from

2607
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:32,159
a

2608
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,040
from the southern point to the northern

2609
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:58,560
point maybe 200 yards

2610
01:34:01,430 --> 01:34:00,320
i was trying to find an image of it

2611
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:01,440
online

2612
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:03,360
can't quite find it but yeah it's very

2613
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:04,480
difficult

2614
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:06,080
how many people knew about new lake

2615
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:08,719
reservoir yeah yeah

2616
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,520
so uh and and i i can't foresee that

2617
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:13,520
mike johnson would have been driving if

2618
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,480
he was frozen yeah he was frozen when

2619
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:18,800
you saw the the big object you know this

2620
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,600
object yes he he was just frozen to the

2621
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:23,840
wheel then and and remained as far as

2622
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,480
you know remained frozen to the wheel

2623
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,080
the entire time

2624
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,960
had you ever been able to locate

2625
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,400
mike johnson

2626
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:34,320
okay we'll continue that after the

2627
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,960
entire incident was over said and done

2628
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,040
i was back at my apartment

2629
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:41,440
uh with my wife it was about two weeks

2630
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:43,760
after the incident happened and i you

2631
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,880
know i had i still had all kinds of

2632
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,119
strange dreams and uh

2633
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,960
cold sweats and all kind of things and

2634
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,320
still my wife didn't know what was going

2635
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,199
on but i came became so interested in

2636
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,840
the pyramids i i don't know how or why

2637
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,119
but i mean that's still an interest

2638
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,760
today a knock came at my door we lived

2639
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:03,520
in a place called haines way apartments

2640
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,239
are still there i went by

2641
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:08,400
i had to just see you know all this was

2642
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,400
really here still you know

2643
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,920
and um

2644
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,159
michael johnson came up came the door

2645
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,080
and like i said we weren't friends and i

2646
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:18,000
didn't know him but he had asked

2647
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,560
somebody that knew me where i lived and

2648
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,119
it was important enough for him to come

2649
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,119
knock on my door and when he did i

2650
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:27,280
couldn't believe you standing there

2651
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,639
and for a minute i couldn't remember his

2652
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,960
first name he said i'm michael i said

2653
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,840
yeah yeah yeah michael come in you know

2654
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,520
and he goes man because i got to talk to

2655
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,360
you about this stuff because

2656
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,920
i don't because i'm you know i i don't

2657
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,119
even know what to think i don't know

2658
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,880
what to say he goes

2659
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,199
you know they they moved him somewhere

2660
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,000
like the 66 or something like that

2661
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:50,080
and um you think pardon me do you think

2662
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:51,520
they divided you

2663
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:54,080
separated you purposely absolutely

2664
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:56,960
absolutely i do and he told me he lived

2665
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,800
in chicago illinois

2666
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,400
is what i remembered

2667
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:02,320
and i could have sworn i wrote down

2668
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,880
either his somebody in his family

2669
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,639
like whether it was his parents or

2670
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:09,040
whatever you know because he was he was

2671
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:12,000
25 26 years old too back then we all you

2672
01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:13,280
know if our parents were alive we had

2673
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,880
contact with our parents all the time

2674
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,080
you know

2675
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:18,400
and um he wrote down his name and where

2676
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:20,000
he's from and a phone number and i put

2677
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:21,520
it in my bible

2678
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,679
and i i

2679
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:25,520
i i i don't know what happened to it of

2680
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,119
course many years have transpired you

2681
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,520
know and many moves and divorce and

2682
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,360
every damn thing else but

2683
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,199
um

2684
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:36,000
i i can't i can't find it but

2685
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,390
i shouldn't use his name i don't think

2686
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,239
anyway they've paid for investigators

2687
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:46,080
and even even um

2688
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:47,360
uh

2689
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:48,960
rich embling

2690
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,920
uh

2691
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,320
who who's the next police officer it was

2692
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:55,280
on discovery plus as a host he um

2693
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:56,400
they put together this little

2694
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,080
investigative team and others have done

2695
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,320
this too and we've spent about

2696
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,320
nine thousand dollars i think

2697
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,320
the investigators trying to find michael

2698
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,600
johnson

2699
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,440
he's a real light-skinned black fella

2700
01:37:12,510 --> 01:37:09,920
super nice he's he's not he's not huge

2701
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:12,520
he was he was thin he was maybe

2702
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,000
175 pounds soaking wet and

2703
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,639
built nice and just really a super sharp

2704
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,360
individual and uh

2705
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,360
i wish i could find him again we've been

2706
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,280
looking for him for well i guess when we

2707
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:27,360
started this thing um

2708
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,719
back with um

2709
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,880
with uh robert hastings you know he's

2710
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:32,639
the one i contacted after all those all

2711
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,510
the molten howl and um

2712
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,960
and um

2713
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,800
anyway so and you know as let's say we

2714
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:44,800
spent probably about eight nine thousand

2715
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,639
dollars on investigators but nobody's

2716
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,560
ever come up to

2717
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,560
finding him you know and even through

2718
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:52,320
the freedom of information act we've

2719
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,440
used that

2720
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,760
and in my i don't know what i was on

2721
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:57,760
micro fish that came out of ellsworth

2722
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:59,119
from the missile side of it because

2723
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,040
aircraft are still there for personnel

2724
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,080
records but i can't hardly find anybody

2725
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,560
you know can you go up pardon me can you

2726
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:08,159
go more into the conversation that you

2727
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:09,280
had with mike

2728
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,000
sure sure well what we did you know my

2729
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,600
wife was there of course

2730
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:14,960
and i didn't care as long as he was

2731
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,159
there and he was going to talk about it

2732
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:17,920
i was going to talk about it you know

2733
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,440
so we drew what we saw

2734
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,000
and we drew basically the same type of

2735
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:26,800
craft you know a spherical craft with

2736
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:27,600
like

2737
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:28,639
a sun

2738
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,360
with

2739
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,440
i know the whole exterior was moving as

2740
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,840
if there was gas around it like red

2741
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,239
yellow and orange colors

2742
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,080
i mean there's like nothing i can even

2743
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:39,920
it's hard to describe

2744
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:42,159
now when we're looking at this picture

2745
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:46,000
was there a a warhead underneath

2746
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,760
yeah directly underneath it there should

2747
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,760
be a picture from above

2748
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,760
oh that's right let me let me get that

2749
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:53,360
yeah yeah

2750
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,239
um and it's it's my interpretation it's

2751
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:59,440
crew but it's there that's a 13 ton

2752
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,280
blaster that would be looking from above

2753
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,760
the side and that that diamond-shaped uh

2754
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,199
object right there in the middle of that

2755
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,440
would be what the blast door on the top

2756
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:09,600
of that missile is that missile is about

2757
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,199
um

2758
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,679
60 feet underground

2759
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,920
so that door would blow off to the rear

2760
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,840
to the most pointed part of it to the

2761
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,000
upper portion would blow off and it

2762
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,239
would blow it about an eighth of a mile

2763
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:24,239
and then that missile would deploy

2764
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:25,920
immediately because it's a solid fuel

2765
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,840
rocket there's no hesitation that goes

2766
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:29,840
right right now

2767
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:32,560
so so besides drawing did he

2768
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:34,000
tell you

2769
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:36,000
his experience and why he was frozen to

2770
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,109
he just said he couldn't he couldn't

2771
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,440
move he just said i was just i would i

2772
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,960
couldn't do anything

2773
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:47,040
all i could do was breathe and

2774
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:48,320
he couldn't

2775
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,119
was seeing did he see beings too he

2776
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,960
didn't say

2777
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:56,960
and i didn't tell him i wanted to see

2778
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:59,280
where it went with him i see

2779
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,760
the other thing was he told me

2780
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,560
he asked me about my my mitten and this

2781
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,000
is the real

2782
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:08,560
real really a strange thing but he asked

2783
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:11,920
me about my mitten from my right hand

2784
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:14,000
of course i didn't have it on but i had

2785
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,520
it with me

2786
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,560
and he said he saw one of my gloves on a

2787
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,719
shiny floor

2788
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,560
well you know the floor port in that

2789
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,360
f-150 is black black vinyl rubber or

2790
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:28,000
whatever you can call it you know

2791
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,040
and

2792
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:31,440
he goes you you did you get you have

2793
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:34,880
your glove from a shiny floor

2794
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,280
and i and i kind of said what do you

2795
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:39,040
mean michael my glove i said my gloves

2796
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,119
are in my bag you know he goes well i

2797
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,800
saw

2798
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,239
a glove

2799
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,840
you're one of your mittens because i was

2800
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,199
one of the only guys that had those

2801
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:49,280
because the b-52 bomber pilot gave it to

2802
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,199
me and it what it does it covers these

2803
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,920
three fingers your trigger fingers free

2804
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,360
and it comes they come down to about

2805
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,199
here and they lash over like that and

2806
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:59,280
there they get there made of kangaroo

2807
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,199
skin and they got his fur on the back of

2808
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,920
them they are really awesome gloves i

2809
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:05,600
mean you know you can do some hundred

2810
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,440
degree below zero with those things but

2811
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:12,320
anyway when he said that i i went well

2812
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,679
wait a minute i'm gonna check this so

2813
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,360
i'm running i go in my bedroom and i

2814
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,280
grab my ditty bag big old like duffle

2815
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,440
bag and i come out of the living room on

2816
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,000
the couch and i just dump it right there

2817
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,159
clothes and underwear and

2818
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:26,239
toiletries and all that stuff's there

2819
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:27,920
and there's my left hand glove but

2820
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,320
there's no right hand glove

2821
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:32,159
so i guess i left my right hand glove

2822
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:33,280
with him

2823
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,560
how about that

2824
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:36,639
yeah and he remembered that and he

2825
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:38,320
remembered that and i didn't even think

2826
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,520
about that

2827
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,199
yeah and then i kept telling him you

2828
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,280
know did you hear any did you hear us

2829
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,600
did you hear us talking to you he says i

2830
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,760
was in it he said it was in a tunnel

2831
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,400
he said i was in a tunnel

2832
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,480
i've never had anything like this i

2833
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,000
can't even describe

2834
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:56,000
what i feel and i said you've been

2835
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:57,199
having dreams because i dreamed a

2836
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,719
nuclear war

2837
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,880
i dreamed of all kind of catastrophic

2838
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,440
things man just

2839
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,119
i just out of the blue and i don't

2840
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,800
normally think that way you know and i

2841
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,119
still have vivid dreams today i don't i

2842
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,400
think it's it's still it never goes away

2843
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:14,239
honestly there's not a time when i walk

2844
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,400
out of here for work in the morning at 4

2845
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:19,040
30 or so

2846
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:20,639
that i don't look up and think about

2847
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,679
that

2848
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:23,760
literally in south dakota at november 5

2849
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,159
i could smell the air just like it was

2850
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:29,199
it was like i was electrified that night

2851
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:30,639
you know

2852
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,159
looking out that window i mean when i

2853
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,920
climbed up on it pulled myself out on

2854
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:35,760
that windowsill why i did that i don't

2855
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,470
you know i guess there are some things

2856
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,320
that you can do in your life that will

2857
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,239
it make a difference 10 years from today

2858
01:42:48,189 --> 01:42:45,920
you know i wonder what would have

2859
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:48,199
happened had i got out if i had the

2860
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:51,520
strength in my body

2861
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,560
in the

2862
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,199
to do that to walk to get out and walk

2863
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,880
up to that i never opened the gate of

2864
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,520
the fence or nothing to go in the site

2865
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:02,080
what would happen had i done that

2866
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,199
yeah

2867
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:05,199
and did you happen to hear speaking of

2868
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,239
the site

2869
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,679
you said that someone else went and

2870
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:09,199
checked on it and did whatever the

2871
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:10,400
process is

2872
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,400
yeah did they did was there anything

2873
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,840
that was affected because that thing was

2874
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:15,280
directly over

2875
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:16,000
no

2876
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,719
and what type of an alarm would go off

2877
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:22,320
that that thing would set off would it

2878
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:25,280
be like a perimeter type situation

2879
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,600
you mean as far as noise-wise would go

2880
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:29,440
no no as far as that when you were first

2881
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:32,000
alerted to go out to it oh the sensors

2882
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:33,760
would be interacted with would be

2883
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:34,800
breached

2884
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:37,600
so then that that that uh that's from

2885
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:39,679
above it would be from above as well

2886
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,080
absolutely yeah see those is on that one

2887
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:44,159
side on that one november 5 picture

2888
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,239
looking from the side you see three

2889
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,080
little things sticking up like look like

2890
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,920
ears look like this

2891
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,199
yeah

2892
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,960
just this thing here those little black

2893
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,800
things right there

2894
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,320
there's three of those on the side they

2895
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,320
look like ears and what they are they

2896
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:00,800
they form a a belt from about five

2897
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:02,320
inches off the ground

2898
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,440
up to about

2899
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,239
15 feet above the side itself like a

2900
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,920
bird will fly over like those those

2901
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,840
kites you see out on the beach and stuff

2902
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,400
um those little bird kites are called

2903
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,679
kites

2904
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,280
they used to always

2905
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,360
set those alarms off you know

2906
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:19,520
and even the snow which said would set

2907
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:20,960
those off we'd have to go dig out

2908
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,280
between all the antennas to the ground

2909
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,280
oh how about that yeah and if we

2910
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,119
couldn't get a reset then a camper alert

2911
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:28,880
team would be called to sit on the site

2912
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,960
until they got a reset of all alarms but

2913
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,480
looking back at that picture looking

2914
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:36,080
straight down

2915
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,040
if you can pull that up real quick

2916
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:41,679
you see the you see the blast door takes

2917
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,679
takes me a minute because yes there's a

2918
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:45,840
lot we got a lot of pictures here

2919
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,390
okay this one right here here we go yeah

2920
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,800
looking down there um

2921
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,639
you'll see sitting right out here in

2922
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:59,280
front there's another little round

2923
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,520
little round drawing right there right

2924
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:04,239
the access that would be the sea plug

2925
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,920
and that would be open it you know these

2926
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,159
things are all like super thick doors

2927
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:10,480
that you know that's decommissioned so

2928
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,960
it's not classified i speak about that

2929
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,800
you know that was opened by that was

2930
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,639
opened by a combination

2931
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:18,239
and we'd open one door then the

2932
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,840
maintenance team would have combos for

2933
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,280
the next

2934
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,199
section down and further

2935
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:25,600
so that was the c plug that real small

2936
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,679
little drawing in front there best i can

2937
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:28,639
do it

2938
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:32,239
and you said across the road there was

2939
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:33,840
another craft

2940
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,679
this little guy this thing down here in

2941
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:37,679
the bottom that was when i

2942
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,480
i think i think that's where i was taken

2943
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,560
because i was taken from the side of my

2944
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,400
vehicle you can see my vehicle parked

2945
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,400
there at the cattle gate and you know

2946
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:48,159
our vehicle in that position

2947
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,400
and there was another a smaller craft

2948
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,719
here across the road and it was sitting

2949
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,159
on the ground

2950
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:55,840
and i think that's where these beings

2951
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:57,920
came from and i think this this large

2952
01:46:04,470 --> 01:45:59,440
ship was

2953
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,480
yeah that's who you're you're

2954
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,080
speculating

2955
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:08,320
and how did you leave it you you said

2956
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:09,199
you got

2957
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:12,000
mike johnson's phone number and you lost

2958
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,080
it and put in the bible and all that but

2959
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:16,159
how did you well the conversation must

2960
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:18,560
have been really quite amazing yeah we

2961
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,159
we talked for we talked for a couple

2962
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:22,960
hours we sat there and

2963
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,679
drank some sweet tea you know and

2964
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,280
just discussed everything about our

2965
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:29,679
families about these dreams and

2966
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,719
what happened and what we saw and what i

2967
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:34,480
saw was completely different than what

2968
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:35,520
he saw

2969
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,280
and he didn't he didn't really say

2970
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:41,520
any beings or anything he didn't see

2971
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:42,400
that

2972
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:47,360
because i know what i heard

2973
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:48,239
and

2974
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,119
he he did say something about

2975
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,400
have no fear do not fear

2976
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,880
and you know and also he said that uh

2977
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,880
and i'm trying to you know i'm as we sit

2978
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,480
here i'm trying to think

2979
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,880
i'm trying to see him

2980
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,560
just as we work because that's that's

2981
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,400
how well i can picture this stuff i mean

2982
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,880
i can just like put myself there

2983
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:10,880
um

2984
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:13,920
and i remember that glow that that

2985
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,960
glow from that object was behind him

2986
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,960
looking at him

2987
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,000
and and

2988
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:22,639
seeing it around his profile it was just

2989
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:23,760
striking

2990
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:25,119
i mean i've

2991
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,199
never seen a human being lit up like

2992
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,600
that you know i guess i was too because

2993
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,360
i was evidently burned when i exposed

2994
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:33,840
myself out of the vehicle

2995
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:36,320
but um

2996
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,360
and what is what are these here these

2997
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,960
marks pockmarks

2998
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:42,639
that's my left ankle and that's

2999
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:44,320
underneath my left arm those are pock

3000
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,960
marks is what i've been told they are

3001
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:47,679
with

3002
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,920
discover them when they were looking

3003
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:51,280
looking at you

3004
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,719
uh i i

3005
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:53,840
i

3006
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:58,800
know underneath you know a doctor you

3007
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:01,440
know to ask about him he said i said is

3008
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:04,320
there any treatment that you would do

3009
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:06,159
i've never been in a in a situation

3010
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,719
where my life was in danger or

3011
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:10,239
you know or

3012
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,600
anything like that where emergency

3013
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,600
procedures had to be done on me

3014
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:15,600
but um he said that is completely

3015
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,480
unorthodox he said those are he looked

3016
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:20,080
at him really really close with a little

3017
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,760
magnifying glass he goes they are

3018
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,840
identical and what they're doing in

3019
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:25,840
those parts parts of your body he said i

3020
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,920
can't explain it there's no procedure

3021
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:29,040
that he knew

3022
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:30,080
that would

3023
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:33,760
do that

3024
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,639
now you you think that that the light

3025
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,000
you saw

3026
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:40,239
the days before

3027
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:49,040
you went out

3028
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:50,080
no

3029
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,000
that was the same night martin oh that

3030
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:54,000
was all the same night that was 9 30

3031
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:55,440
yeah so you think that was the same

3032
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:56,800
object than others

3033
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:59,199
yes yeah absolutely oh okay that's right

3034
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,560
that was like at one o'clock in the

3035
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,239
morning when you were called out i got

3036
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,239
it it's just really strange and you know

3037
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,119
november 5 was the absolute closest

3038
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:09,199
launch facility

3039
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,719
to november 1.

3040
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,880
our travel time was the least amount of

3041
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,719
time to get there than it was anywhere

3042
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:16,080
else

3043
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:19,360
all of our missiles in november flight

3044
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,880
it seems to me that

3045
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,480
it's kind of funny they only send two

3046
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:24,239
people out when there's a something

3047
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:25,440
triggers off

3048
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,719
something at a

3049
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,719
missile signal i mean you're a heavily

3050
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,320
armed response team i mean it's no

3051
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,080
different than you know then police

3052
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:33,760
officers in the street today you know i

3053
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:36,000
mean really you're just you know

3054
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,119
government

3055
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,280
you know it's a lot different you know

3056
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,040
but you're you're you're you're

3057
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,360
extremely well armed and equipped so and

3058
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:45,280
you've been trained for that very thing

3059
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:46,000
and

3060
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,560
environment that you're in you um

3061
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:52,239
this is the response team right here

3062
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,239
right that's correct that would be a

3063
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,560
backup alert team it's primary response

3064
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:59,040
team and you see the helicopter yeah

3065
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,719
that'd be a quick reaction tina they

3066
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,800
would be from the main base they would

3067
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,520
be sent immediately as we engaged

3068
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,000
whatever was happening on a missile site

3069
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:10,000
everybody around our personnel carrier

3070
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,760
there should be a 50 or a 60 uh

3071
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,920
or an m60 in that turret of that armored

3072
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:17,840
personnel that's a cadillac gauge armor

3073
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:19,360
personnel carrier

3074
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,480
so um but that quick reaction team 55

3075
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,639
miles at 200 something miles an hour

3076
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,320
it'd be a six-man fire team in that

3077
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,560
helicopter and he'd probably have some

3078
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,639
type of machine guns in that chopper

3079
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,840
also so

3080
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:34,080
you know we we could protect what we had

3081
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:35,920
out there there's no doubt about it and

3082
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,719
uh

3083
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,440
now what is this particular

3084
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,080
uh site here that this driver that is a

3085
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,239
memory from um i'm not sure if it's a

3086
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:47,040
dream or out of hypnosis to where

3087
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,400
um

3088
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,280
i'm i'm in a room and it's

3089
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:53,920
ex i i can't i don't i'm not good enough

3090
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,520
to draw

3091
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:57,760
all the panels that would be closest to

3092
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:00,320
me and on my right and what these are

3093
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,199
these are old items

3094
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,119
from like the 20s and the 30s and stuff

3095
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:07,119
that i was asked to look at i don't know

3096
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,400
how that

3097
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:10,400
i was asked to look at these things and

3098
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,159
that's when all i remember that stand-up

3099
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:14,080
lamp because we had one in our house in

3100
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:15,440
port author texas when i was really

3101
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,639
young that was a black and white tv box

3102
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,719
stereo on a sewing machine is down i

3103
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,239
mean i know

3104
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,239
things that were in this room

3105
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,560
but i was told and this is the strangest

3106
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:28,400
thing and these are bits and pieces that

3107
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:29,920
are in my mind

3108
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,679
i was told that i could look out this

3109
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:33,440
window that's

3110
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:37,440
behind that or to the left of this lamp

3111
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,760
and it was a round window but there was

3112
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,280
it was

3113
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,119
it had like a

3114
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:45,280
it was it was round but there was like a

3115
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,679
it was like a pie shape

3116
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,119
but

3117
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:51,599
uh how should i say it

3118
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:54,639
it was a round window but in in the in

3119
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,400
that roundness there was a pie shape

3120
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:58,239
that was blocked out

3121
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,280
so

3122
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,880
three quarters of it you could see out

3123
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:02,480
of but i was too afraid to look out the

3124
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:03,440
window

3125
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:05,199
i wouldn't do i wouldn't do it i said no

3126
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:06,800
i'm not doing that and

3127
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,719
so you don't really uh pardon me you

3128
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:10,239
don't really know if this is a real

3129
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,000
memory or or something that it's a dream

3130
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:16,400
i'm pretty sure it's a real memory and

3131
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:17,940
then i remembered following

3132
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,119
[Music]

3133
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,280
i remember following

3134
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,280
a a small little

3135
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,880
being to come

3136
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,320
talk with him

3137
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:30,960
and take it into a hallway

3138
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,119
and then opening another door and

3139
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,520
there's like fog

3140
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,199
and then i wake up

3141
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:38,960
or then i'm out of it

3142
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,239
wow but i've had it more than one time

3143
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,040
some of these things are reoccurring

3144
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:46,880
well i'll tell you what i can't believe

3145
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:50,639
that two hours went by this quickly

3146
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,440
it really did but uh i really appreciate

3147
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:55,520
i i could tell this was uh

3148
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:58,000
kind of an emotional thing for you and i

3149
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,159
really appreciate i hope in some way

3150
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,000
that it helps you to talk about it

3151
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,800
absolutely does every time yeah it does

3152
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,280
but there are parts of it that

3153
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,080
just it just slams you you know and i it

3154
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:12,480
just puts you mentally there for just a

3155
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,000
flash just

3156
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:15,760
because it never goes away and i think

3157
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,560
when i went out there last year

3158
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,480
boy it really rekindled some things

3159
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,119
because i've got a dream log that i

3160
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,520
i mean i

3161
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,000
i hope those things never happen

3162
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:30,400
because it's always like calamity major

3163
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:33,040
calamity stuff oh geez yeah

3164
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:35,360
yeah yeah you're not alone in and having

3165
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,719
those dreams i've heard a lot of people

3166
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,880
have had a count counter saying similar

3167
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,440
things mario thank you so much thank you

3168
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,599
martin very much have a great day

3169
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:45,440
thank you all right you take care all

3170
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:46,560
right

3171
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:49,440
show we'll be back at the regular time

3172
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,360
next week with caroline corey dave

3173
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:53,599
altman and dave mason

3174
01:54:00,840 --> 01:53:54,400
and

3175
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:00,850
remember to keep your eyes to the sky